Saving your life by killing a stranger isn't uncontroversially "shitty" (i.e. immoral).



No they can't. They would just get protein from non-animal products. Eating a steak would indeed not be a "vegan act" with the exception of if they needed it to survive, which is quite clearly almost never the case.

Does that include dog shit? I never see those crusty fucking vegans pick up after their dogs..

No, it doesn't.

Most vegans wouldn't go for a direct 1:1 swap like this - i.e. they'd rather die than have a pig heart installed - but would be fine taking a medicine that was initially tested on animals but the production of which no longer harms animals.

There are some vegans who wouldn't even do that, but I suspect that a rather large number of them would change their tune if the question became less abstract and more concrete.

so how is killing an animal to make a vaccine a "vegan act", but eating a steak (while severely protein deficient) isn't?

Killing an animal is a "vegan act" when it's necessary to save your life.

Since killing a cow for steak doesn't save your life, or even help your health in any way, it's not a "vegan act".

i can't tell if youre screwing with me, or just having a hard time with this. you're saying thats its physically impossible to be in a severely protein deficient state with a steak nearby?

No, but there's no need to have steak to remedy a protein deficiency.

Again, I already provided the exception that if you needed the steak to survive, e.g. if it was the only food available to you, it would be permissible to eat it.

... so its possible to eat a steak as a vegan? wow that only took like 9 posts