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Apr 3 2011 01:17pm

tl;dr

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Apr 3 2011 02:52pm

Quote (D2WIKIGURU @ Apr 3 2011 09:49am)

Ok so this is a good one. I know FFVII front to back ... back to front .. so on.

This guy claims to have maxed stats for ALL main characters, have each limit except for aeris final, and maxed all stats in under 23hrs I will quote him in green and me in purple so you know me from him.

Ok this guy starts out asking me how quick i beat FFVII and i replied 15hrs, and shortly after my statement calls me a liar.... goes to later saying
"I would just say your main guys maxed out at 99 with all max stats. You would need to beat every boss and get every limit ( except aeith's final )" and he claims he has done this in 22-23 hours i believe (read on)

Ok this starts off and he says I can't beat the game in 15 hours at all .. withouth even MASTERING as he says FFVII ... So once he replies back the above statement this is where it kicks off after his quote above in green cause i thought he said just beating the game and not MASTERING it too.. I was replying sayin basically oops I made a mistake sry bro.

No not dumb just simply mistaken .. i thought you meant only the emeral weapon battle and not 100% the game at all ..

100% the game takes me over 100hrs lol so thats my bad..

quickest i beat the game is 15hrs total with no 100%

just a simple mistake is all

You said you could 100% in 15-20. How bout 15-18 hours to beat the entire game. BUT you have to beat emerald without using cait sith.

Nah bro I cannot do that lol .. you were right

that is crazy .. you got a video to that shit? I'd love to see someone do that and would watch the whole thing haha..

I could possibly achieve close to that in my mind but know it would fall WAYYY short of what I am thinking .. thats like a speedclear haha ...

and when you say 100% do you mean mastering all materias? and getting master materia? cause if so i'd love to see that shit .. i don't see how thats possible at all.

I consider 100% all materia mastered. Aeris final limit achieved/side quests etc.

CrAzY bro lmk if you have a sc vid for that haha XD

Na I would just say your main guys maxed out at 99 with all max stats. You would need to beat every boss and get every limit ( except aeith's final ) I wouldn't be gay about that. I'm not saying you have to 100% the game for the 2.5k bet, if you can beat the entire game plus emerald + ruby and do this without using cait sith cheap trick for any boss in 15-18 Hours you get paid. Once again I will have some rules though that you would need to follow to make sure it's authentic. My fastest time doing this was 22 hours, so if you could do it in under 18 that would be very very impressive. Once again you would have to wager something in return, 10% or loss most likely.

I'll think it over only part I dont see happening is maxing stats in less than 18hrs... thats a bit rough .. and i think impossible. You would have to fight a battle for 1-3 + attributes for each attribute .. and for each character .. that right there is like ... a week i think if you dont sleep/eat/or do anything. Cause you can't W-Item the Str/Vit/Mag/Etc +'s

Beating the game w/emeral + ruby beat will be about 15-20hrs .. maxing stats would take a LONG time

maxing stats is easy if you know how to play the game legit lol ( I fuckin LOL'd here .. since obviously playing legit is quicker, cause thats whats hes saying i guess. )

I know how to play legit .. you have to morph enemies to get str up/dex up/magic up .... and the easiest is str .. and it takes about 1 min to morph the enemy wich == 1 str per minute 60+ times and multpilied by each character .. other morph would take WAY to long due to multiple enemies in that area so multiply those by crazy numbers since you randomly fall into a battle that could result in 6+ enemy types of that area... it's not possible to max stats and have game beat under even 18 minutes. This is a very valid point he later claims dex is the easiest which it isnt because of falling into RANDOM battles with different monsters in that area.

Well I did it in 22 and you're bragging like you were hot shit lol. Just thought I'd offer the challenge up

It's impossible to Max stats in FFVII with each character at lvl 99 each and all limits, but aeris final limit...

Lets do some math here .. the EASIEST stat to max is Str since you can always find the main enemiy without encountering other enemies of that area.. which is found in the Destroyed Gongaga Reactor area where you get titan .. it's obtained from morphing one of the Triceratops looking monsters with a tank like bottom for moving.... it takes 1-2 morphs to get the str+

This battle takes about a min cut/end scene to obtain a +1 str .. do that (about 60 times we'll say wich is low IMHO) for each character (I'm going to even omit extra time stuff .. like going into the inventory and using the 60 str each time for each character) Since this monster IS ALWAYS found it's the easiest one to make my point on.... here is some useful info-->

60min X 8 = 8hours gone from your time in game just to master STR alone (Now this was decrease by ALOT since most ppl need more than 60str) so think about that..

Also in several areas where you need to get other +'s like Mag/Dex/Etc there are Multiple enemies wich means you will not find them more than 1/3 or 1/4 of the time ... and they take longer to morph.

So that being said ... I don't see that possible without some kind of gameshark.

Your wrong lol obviously you haven't played this game legit. The easiest stat to max is speed, you encounter these enemies in groups of 2-6 and 1x certain attack will drop them all to 1x morph attack per. The battle takes about 5 minutes if that ( if 6x are present ) and it goes faster and faster the more your speed gets up obviously. It's always best to max your speed first anyways even if not going for Emerald right off the bat because it allows you to max the others faster. It's really not that difficult an the fact that your trying to debate this with me and I know you have never beaten emerald without tons of practice and without googling how to kill him easiest shows me that not only are you a newb that you are one of those newbs who has actually convinced himself he is good lol. Please stop talking to me, my time is a legit and real record. It's the first time ever trying on a real time trial, no doubt it's probably my best time since I had just played the game through twice. Still though non the less I've done it and it's not impossible by any means. Maxing speed or getting it into the high 1xx range or the low 2xx range is a must for beating Emerald " The Legit Way". Lmk when you can finally learn to do something without looking it up lol. It's actually quite pathetic that you would even bring up ff7 to me when you haven't ever beaten the game ( all of it's bosses, which is what i consider beating it ) one single time, without using a fucking retarded newb method.

You mad bro?

There are several ways to beat emerald/ruby ... Vincents glitch ... Barret with mime for counter/limit ... and Cait sith ... or even just counter materia on 1 person several times ...

Still impossible since it takes too long tho

i could see possibly str happening .. but still your not going to encounter all 6 enemies 100% of the time each battle (on the spd+) ... lmk more info on that and I'd be glad to prove you wrong again

How have you proven me wrong lol? I did it legit in 22 hours maxing out my 3 mains, your the one who is obviously " mad bro". You fail with epic style and then accuse me of being wrong after I've already done it. Stop being mad since you obviously have never beaten the game legit or done anything without looking it up. I played this game and beat it without ever looking a damn thing up online. Did everything 100% legit my second time through, first time I played; I was like seven or eight. I got stuck on the second disc I'm pretty sure. The next time I played it through I was like ten and I dominated the game without ever being a little bitch about it like some people. I set my record probably three yeas ago, it's really not that difficult if you know exactly what your doing and you have beaten the game twenty times before without once using any cheap methods.

Your logic is also flawed seeing as i stated it takes "5 minutes or less " if you are fighting six enemies. It takes much less time the lower number of enemies present so I really don't know what your point is, facing less then six enemies every time has no effect on the overall time it takes to perform the task of maxing out. Please if you have nothing useful to say and all you can do is talk and fail to act, kindly refrain from pming me again. You have proven yourself time and time again to be nothing but a loud mouth with no real skill. I'll pay out the 2k if you can even top my time, which at this point I'm certain you couldn't even come close to.

It's been done so no matter what you say it really doesn't matter. I maxed out completely before fighting emerald and ruby since I wanted no chance of loosing. I didn't consider myself done until I had traded in for the master materia. Let me know if your going to spew more lies or step up to the challenge. You still have no fg and no credibility so you have nothing to wager. Your status on jsp shows that your either a complete rand or more likely a multi. You can't seem to play any games legit, once again really not all that surprising. People who suck at one video game and have to cheat to accomplish anything tend to keep those trends throughout gaming.

I urge you to replay through the game just for your own accord. Or possibly try one of the final fantasies you haven't looked everything up on. I think it would do you some good to try playing through without cheating ( this being a obvious first for you ) .

ALSO PLZ PLZ PLZ LET ME KNOW YOUR INFO IN THIS CAUSE IT WOULD BE GREAT!

that's exactly what i was gonna say. uncanny

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#23

Apr 3 2011 02:54pm

tl;dr ff7 is a game to savour every bit not rush through

Also hi multi

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Apr 3 2011 02:56pm

I wonder if anyone has read this whole thing.

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Apr 3 2011 03:05pm

Quote (Greeley @ Apr 3 2011 12:56pm)

I wonder if anyone has read this whole thing.

i love ffvii/reading. i'd imagine one would have to of had an additional motivation to do so.

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Apr 3 2011 07:34pm

Quote (zeratul87 @ Apr 3 2011 04:05pm)

i love ffvii/reading. i'd imagine one would have to of had an additional motivation to do so.

Well the only problem I have .. is this guy calls me pretty much everything in the book lol, but fails at 1 simple thing .. proving me wrong .. he has even pm flamed me .. which i do not respond too

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Yeah I see what your going for. Just try and discredit me instead of actually debating. It's a great strategy for arguing online. You should have simply summed up what was going on if you wanted anyone to actually read the debate. Instead of posting out the entire pm convo.

You are wrong, it's not my fault you still to this day have not beaten a game you claim to know through and through.

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You see the problem is I played this game when I was a bad kid and didn't do homework for 3-4 years just to play this game all the time .. yeah when I look back kinda pathetic

It was one of the best games I have ever played tho..

So in debating .. yeah sure I will debate with you .. but you have to debate with me also .. not just say things like .. im a newb. and never played the game "LEGIT" .. what does that even mean ... a rediculous statement ..

and before we even really talked he was an ass anyways .. so it's not rly a debate if he can't de-bunk what I have stated to be true .. do i claim to be the godliest FFVII player ever .. no.

BUT! anyone who has a well rounded knowledge of the game can vouch what I have said in previous posts

It's not rocket science, but rather elementary basics

So I say this to you ..

Would a presidential debate start with someone going up and saying something like .....
This guys a fucking moron and doesn't know what he's talking about ... he is a noob .. don't vote for him cause he's dumb ... and so on ... and so forth.. no

+ if you read everything he has said .. it's very clear who is flaming who haha

facts are coming up soon!!!

This post was edited by D2WIKIGURU on Apr 3 2011 07:36pm

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Apr 3 2011 08:02pm

New topic and going into major detail here for the FFVII lovers

black is from a site red is me

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MAXING OUT STRENGTH Strength is one of the easier stats that one can max
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ out. Naturally, with every level that you gain, you
will be higher stats in all categories - however, this
is never enough to get your stats up to 255. To get
your stats this high, you must gain Power Sources. The
easiest spot for this is to go to Gongaga and fight in
the room with the broken reactor. Here you will only
find one enemy, Heavy Tank, and you can morph him into
a power source. There are other enemies that will give
you power sources, but they are not as common. To see
all enemies that give you these sources, and their
stats, go to "Important Enemies".

Like I said let's just say 1min per str //and leave out the other 10000000 factors
3x60= 3hrs

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MAXING OUT DEXTERITY Speed sources are not as easy to come by as Power or
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Guard sources, but they are still easy to obtain. To
get them, simply get into your sub and go to Gelnika.
Go into the room where you fought the boss fight. In
this room you will only fight two enemies. One of the
enemies looks like a squid, Poodler. Morph it and you
will get a Speed Source.
3x60 = +3hr again simple

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MAXING OUT VITALITY Vitality is increased when you give your character a
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Guard source. The easiest spot to get large amounts of
Guard sources in a small amount of time is right by
Mideel. You should see sections of badlands (rocky,
dark areas). Run around in this section and you will
fight enemies that look like aardvarks. They are
called Spirals, they can be easily morphed into Guard
sources.
these are not so simple when they go into a ball .. dmg is reduced but lets say 1 min per still sometimes they come in 2-3's but morphing them takes time.
3x60= +3hrs

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MAXING OUT MAGIC To increase magic, you must get Magic sources, which are
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ are the hardest sources to get, so it will take a bit of
patience. To get them you must go into Gelnika and fight
in the Cargo room (this is the room where you got Hades).
Run around and eventually you will run into an enemy
named "Unknown 3". Morph him and you will get your source

This one is pretty rough multiple enemies encountered in the sub .. and 15k hp (the common good morph is 6-7k normally) even at max its still a two hitter not to mention the enemies in this area.

Enemies: Serpent, poodler, bad rap, unknown, unknown2, unknown 3

Now lets say this 1/3 times he will show up... I lowered it a bit due to multiple enemies in one match .. so here is the math we'll say (and this is lowered) each missed match is 30 seconds to run from.

so thats (we'll use the 60 stats again which would be actually higher than 60) 60secs for useless battles + 2min for +1Mag (2 morphs) X 60 X3 for total .. wich would be 540 minutes which sums up to be 9 hours.. and ALOT of shit was not even mentioned and times were even lowered like CRAZY!
+9hrs

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MAXING OUT SPIRIT Just like Magic sources, these are also harder to come
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ by. To get them, you must go into the same room as you
did to get Magic sources, but this time morph the enemy
called "Serpent".
This enemy has over 10k life .. same area same math

+9hrs
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MAXING OUT LUCK Luck sources are easier to come get than any other source.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ In fact, they are twice as easy to get as Speed sources.
To get them go into the same room that you fought Poodler
to get your Speed sources. Also in this room you will
fight enemies called Bad Raps. Morph them and you will get
you Luck sources.
same hp 9000 we'll lower this one seems easy to morph lets say min 3hrs for shit although this would be HIGHER

+3hrs

Now if you would like to argue with this info ... lmk plz kid ... PLZ

Also I'll google THE FASTEST TIME FFVII HAS EVER BEEN BEATIN IN .... that should add the final time onto that .. we'll even -5hours to it (in case you have lvl'd up some and shit)

This should def end this debate.

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#28

Apr 5 2011 07:35am

This is the last bump .. it's too bad ppl that know alot about FFVII are not posting

oh well ....

I don't see many arguements about my facts lol .. considering I left out OODLES of time crunching numbers .. i think there not even possible to obtain lol but still ... I was fair in cutting down times to...

Impossible numbers IMO, but still tried to get close to a robot form of a man's time lol.

Have fun guys and hope I didn't bore you .. my fave post was the person that agreed .. it;s sad tho .. I thought ppl would state if they did/did not agree .. and a detailed why.

would have been more interesting imo, but that's how the cookie crumbles i guess

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#29

Apr 5 2011 07:46am

maybe try in the FF forum if you havent already

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#30

Apr 5 2011 07:49am

Call total bs

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