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Sep 3 2011 09:30pm
Quote (zeratul87 @ Sep 3 2011 09:21pm)
lol? what's wrong with my grammar? and i'm sorry my interests lie outside your attention span.



basically one of the major problems with the original theory is that life was thought to begin in a primordial soup. one rich in two things: heat and sulfur. the ideal place would be the hydrothermic vents deep in the oceans. and therein lies the problem. the ocean is vast. just because a couple simple amino acids (and potentially nucleobases) were present, it does not mean those molecules would crash into eachother enough to form the complex building blocks of life. i mentioned heat earlier because the kinetic energy would be sufficient to promote formation, however ONLY if they made contact often enough. another problem with this theory is that entropy drives the dissociation of complex peptides and nucleobases.

now here's the new stuff. it's now believed that life began forming not in hot sulfur rich pools but in freezing water. it's believed that following the constant meteor collisions which plagued early earth that a dust cloud formed. this cloud blocked out our sun. a sun i may add that was still relatively young and gave off i think 50% less heat. at any rate the significance of this study is that within frozen water there are pockets. inside these pockets small amino acids and nucleobases would be sitting for millions of years. granted there's not very much kinetic energy, however the close proximity of these molecules is ideal for polyamination (or for polymer formation in general).

so you're thinking big deal right? i mean how can we test this theory? a gentlemen (who's name currently escapes me) kept a soup of cyanide (CN) and methane (CH4)  i believe (or another carbon containing molecule) and froze it for a whole 30 years or something. (35?) at any rate he thawed it out recently and was amazed at what he found. not only did he find the same simple amino acids that were present in the heat+sulfur experiments from the years past, but found 7 other ones! in reality this is hard to believe. and even though there is irrefutable evidence of it, it's still difficult for skeptics such as myself to believe. as for the nucleobases, there were chains as long as 200 base pairs! the kicker for this however is that he put in an ribonucliecacid template in it. which i mean following it's initial formation would be present in large quantities. there is still a difficulty in discovering how the initial RNA, or RNA precursor originally formed.



i actually read it, however i didnt really understand most lol. but the parts i did were pretty cool
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Sep 3 2011 09:32pm
Quote (pyromaniac09 @ Sep 3 2011 07:27pm)
Dont worry, I read it, duno what the fuck it really meant but I read it.


hah thanks for reading it. basically, there's a new theory to how life arose on our planet. scientists like to think that the theory we have now is logical, but in reality there are lots of issues with it. therefore i like hearing new ideas which address those concerns.
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Sep 3 2011 09:41pm
NASA has conclusive evidence that DNA nucleobases can and do form in outer space, and that meteors containing the nucleobases found in our DNA have landed on Earth.
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Sep 3 2011 09:53pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Sep 3 2011 07:41pm)
NASA has conclusive evidence that DNA nucleobases can and do form in outer space, and that meteors containing the nucleobases found in our DNA have landed on Earth.


i actually support life originating on another planet over the original abiogenesis theories. however this one is promising.

as for nucleobases in space i haven't heard of. i have however heard of some simple amino acids like adenine being found and even small peptides. some of those actually originated from mars. it's though that mars actually had a magnetic field and maybe even frozen water at some point. it's not too far fetched to believe that smiple life or the building blocks for it, originated on mars and hopped a meteor taxi to earth.
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Sep 3 2011 09:53pm
my question is... which comes first, the chicken or the egg? -_-
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Sep 3 2011 09:56pm
Quote (nelos1 @ Sep 3 2011 07:53pm)
my question is... which comes first, the chicken or the egg? -_-


the egg ofc! evolution is the change of allele frequencies in a COMMUNITY over time. therefore a single chicken would not be a chicken yet. however the egg it produced is arbitrarily called an egg regardless of the species from whence it came.
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