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Hybrid Option 1:

The 30 Plate can take you to mq just on the basis of the stats as I did in the past. For str/dex ratios, try to get as much strength as possible. This might be worded a bit off but just read on.
What usually happens when you go hybrid is that you lose out melee stats to the point where you have something like a 100str /90 dex ratio.
This is due to some thinking that when you use a particular weapon you should go for 100+ dex or whatever the rumors are these days.
However, its perfectly fine to have something like 110 str/ 60 dex and its actually better this way. This analysis is a bit off topic from what you're
asking but it gets to my next point of having a str/dex ratio where there is for example a difference of 50 apart i.e. (130str/80 dex, 120 str/70 dex).

Incorporating your gear:

Now, I'll focus this next concept on exactly what you're shooting for, using the gear you provided on that post. Per my analysis above using this robe would
be better:

Mystical nightshade padded robe
Level Req: 35
Physical Defense: 0 to 32
Magical Defense: 21 to 52

+43 Strength
+1 to 54 Life per Kill
+3% Critical Flux


As for the amount of intel you wanna add.

Hybrid Option with the 30 Plate: End up with something of a 50 differece ratio, between str/dex. The way you would speed up your
climbs would be varying your intel. So I would say 45-50 intel would work with the 30 plate as an mq armor or as a testing point
for when you can lower it to 44, 43 and so on until you find what works.

Hybrid Option with your gear stated referencing previous post: Im guessing since you'll be switching to your lvl 45 Earth
with 51 Str/32 HM. You'll still be running something similar to that avail. So Im fairly certain 20 intel would be much too little if the
hybrid build is what you're talking about. Pure melee for arena is mostly tank armor and then the high ee weapon so im taking a
guess that hybrid is what this is all about.

Long story short:Try the 50 difference ratio between str/dex just as a foundation. And don't be afraid to put less than the recommended
100, 120 dex or whatever everyones saying these days.

***The 45-50 Intel Basis and maybe a bit less is something that can be possibly lowered to the 35-40 range and tested being that you'll be
speeding up your climbs by adding more melee stats, not full chaining but using shrines at lets say 64+ to finish it off. This is using the 30 Plate.

For Robes, it may be a different story in which case you may need to reshape it a bit differently than if you were to use the 30 Plate. For example,
the mana syphon is missing along with the small form of tanking ability it gave so perhaps using more intel since the 55 robe can make up
for most missing melee stats at least thats what I think you're asking.

The mana syphon on the 30 Plate also help extend those chains at the higher 61+ levels, so something you should work/analyze to perfection :)

Your Weapon of Choice: -> Since you're using axes/daggers which have the most controllable damage that works to your benefit
with the 30 plate first in the sense that you can generally estimate the damage taken and heal accordingly. Coupled with the mana syphon on
the 30 plate which works wonders at the higher levels in maybe 3 or so chains give or take, they're a good gauge of different things you wanna try out.
The robe is great but would be somewhat different when approaching the benefit of axes/daggers.

The 50 difference ratio is only something that I grew to like alot when experimenting, sometimes a 60 may even do the job better or more less
but I am personally a fan of the larger str/dex. Just because you're going hybrid doesn't mean you need to gie up your melee prowessjust
to heal a bit.

Phew, another long wall of text, god I need to stop.

Hope that helped a bit :P

Additional Reference Leveling: As for leveling 1-30, for the most part you shouldn't worry about it. Optimizing both the 1-30 range and 31- MQ range is difficult in the sense
that if you optimize one range, you slow down the other range however unnoticeable this difference is sometimes. The 1-30 range can be pure melee'd most of the time
and with life steal as you have there coupled with incredible life it won't be dififcult to pull off especially with the aid of shriners from time to time
lets say you do 89% of lvl 21 or something. As a result, focus upon having your stats reach the 31-MQ stats that you want to aim for.
And as you probably already know, just stat pure strength from 1-10 or maybe 1-15. And then start changing it up a bit to get closer and closer
to your targeted stats.

This is only one perspective of course and there are several thousand out there, but those were just my experiences with the hybrid and
optimizing its climbs. :thumbsup:

Good luck buddy.

This post was edited by Legolas_RH on Jun 2 2010 02:27pm
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Jun 2 2010 02:12pm
after doing some number punching, I would go with the 35 robe,

If you went with the 30 robe at one point you would have about 85 str and 11x dex

I always like having my strength higher but you might like it different

I would test both robes to see which works better



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Jun 2 2010 02:15pm
Yea, after looking for months, I finally stumble upon the robe that I think I want with str/dex. However, for my particular gear, I may have already had the one that works better for me.
I will first open this up to the guild, does anyone need or want:

Angelic seamist padded robe
Level Req: 30
Physical Defense: 0 to 28
Magical Defense: 18 to 47

+35 Strength
+19 Dexterity
+3 Mana Regen
+1% Mind Numb

lmk. I can tell you now that these things are hard as hell to find :)

This post was edited by Stok3d on Jun 2 2010 02:16pm
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Jun 2 2010 03:05pm
Quote (Legolas_RH @ Jun 2 2010 02:58pm)
Hybrid Option 1:

The 30 Plate can take you to mq just on the basis of the stats as I did in the past. For str/dex ratios, try to get as much strength as possible. This might be worded a bit off but just read on.
What usually happens when you go hybrid is that you lose out melee stats to the point where you have something like a 100str /90 dex ratio.
This is due to some thinking that when you use a particular weapon you should go for 100+ dex or whatever the rumors are these days.
However, its perfectly fine to have something like 110 str/ 60 dex and its actually better this way. This analysis is a bit off topic from what you're
asking but it gets to my next point of having a str/dex ratio where there is for example a difference of 50 apart i.e. (130str/80 dex, 120 str/70 dex).

Incorporating your gear:

Now, I'll focus this next concept on exactly what you're shooting for, using the gear you provided on that post. Per my analysis above using this robe would
be better:

Mystical nightshade padded robe
Level Req: 35
Physical Defense: 0 to 32
Magical Defense: 21 to 52

+43 Strength
+1 to 54 Life per Kill
+3% Critical Flux


As for the amount of intel you wanna add.

Hybrid Option with the 30 Plate: End up with something of a 50 differece ratio, between str/dex. The way you would speed up your
climbs would be varying your intel. So I would say 45-50 intel would work with the 30 plate as an mq armor or as a testing point
for when you can lower it to 44, 43 and so on until you find what works.

Hybrid Option with your gear stated referencing previous post: Im guessing since you'll be switching to your lvl 45 Earth
with 51 Str/32 HM. You'll still be running something similar to that avail. So Im fairly certain 20 intel would be much too little if the
hybrid build is what you're talking about. Pure melee for arena is mostly tank armor and then the high ee weapon so im taking a
guess that hybrid is what this is all about.

Long story short:Try the 50 difference ratio between str/dex just as a foundation. And don't be afraid to put less than the recommended
100, 120 dex or whatever everyones saying these days.

***The 45-50 Intel Basis and maybe a bit less is something that can be possibly lowered to the 35-40 range and tested being that you'll be
speeding up your climbs by adding more melee stats, not full chaining but using shrines at lets say 64+ to finish it off. This is using the 30 Plate.

For Robes, it may be a different story in which case you may need to reshape it a bit differently than if you were to use the 30 Plate. For example,
the mana syphon is missing along with the small form of tanking ability it gave so perhaps using more intel since the 55 robe can make up
for most missing melee stats at least thats what I think you're asking.

The mana syphon on the 30 Plate also help extend those chains at the higher 61+ levels, so something you should work/analyze to perfection :)

Your Weapon of Choice: -> Since you're using axes/daggers which have the most controllable damage that works to your benefit
with the 30 plate first in the sense that you can generally estimate the damage taken and heal accordingly. Coupled with the mana syphon on
the 30 plate which works wonders at the higher levels in maybe 3 or so chains give or take, they're a good gauge of different things you wanna try out.
The robe is great but would be somewhat different when approaching the benefit of axes/daggers.

The 50 difference ratio is only something that I grew to like alot when experimenting, sometimes a 60 may even do the job better or more less
but I am personally a fan of the larger str/dex. Just because you're going hybrid doesn't mean you need to gie up your melee prowessjust
to heal a bit.

Phew, another long wall of text, god I need to stop.

Hope that helped a bit :P

Additional Reference Leveling: As for leveling 1-30, for the most part you shouldn't worry about it. Optimizing both the 1-30 range and 31- MQ range is difficult in the sense
that if you optimize one range, you slow down the other range however unnoticeable this difference is sometimes. The 1-30 range can be pure melee'd most of the time
and with life steal as you have there coupled with incredible life it won't be dififcult to pull off especially with the aid of shriners from time to time
lets say you do 89% of lvl 21 or something. As a result, focus upon having your stats reach the 31-MQ stats that you want to aim for.
And as you probably already know, just stat pure strength from 1-10 or maybe 1-15. And then start changing it up a bit to get closer and closer
to your targeted stats.

This is only one perspective of course and there are several thousand out there, but those were just my experiences with the hybrid and
optimizing its climbs. :thumbsup:

Good luck buddy.


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Jun 2 2010 03:07pm
You lose 8 Strength on the 30 Robe, but gain 19 Dex. Plus use the armor 5 levels earlier. I like the 30 Robe. IMO, the LPK can be sacrificed because your charm thru level 45 already has 10% Life steal on it. Not to mention the classes from feeder until you hit Monk lack Dex. So the extra Dex is definitely a plus and a half. Also, the Critical flux mod is nulled from your 19 Dex, which not only adds to CS, but to defense against CS, which helps out tremendously in the Arena. Looks like alot of these people are saying the 35, but I say the 30 -.-

Look at the stats on this character: http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?c=3&i=378829&p=370192
(All starting stats and all stats thru level 8 have been put into Vit because I use this char for driving/tanking)

But even with 60 Dex from items, I'm still only at 110 Dex, and I like to be at ~130 when I solo in the Arena. Feeder thru Monk classes have VERY low dex (Minus Rogue but then you have a huge Strength problem). Don't under estimate the power of Dex, and with the strength on your 1-45 Charm, your strength isn't going to be lacking. Not having to stat Dex at all in your climb is an amazing thing, and it is wonderful to always be at your MQ dex. That way your entire climb you go just pump Strength with some Int I guess. You're heals are good enough you won't need much, especially with your life steal, and on top of that you glyph very well, a top notch glypher, so "IF" you needed help healing, Int and HM glyphs should come to you fairly easy and cheap. But you heals are good enough (plus LS) I don't think it will be an issue. Without going into a huge post like Royce, I'll just say 30 IMO... :)

This post was edited by MrMoJoRising on Jun 2 2010 03:36pm
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Quote (MrMoJoRising @ Jun 2 2010 05:07pm)
You lose 8 Strength on the 30 Robe, but gain 19 Dex. Plus use the armor 5 levels earlier. I like the 30 Robe. IMO, the LPK can be sacrificed because your charm thru level 45 already has 10% Life steal on it. Not to mention the classes from feeder until you hit Monk lack Dex. So the extra Dex is definitely a plus and a half. Also, the Critical flux mod is nulled from your 19 Dex, which not only adds to CS, but to defense against CS, which helps out tremendously in the Arena. Looks like alot of these people are saying the 35, but I say the 30 -.-

Look at the stats on this character: http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?c=3&i=378829&p=370192
(All starting stats and all stats thru level 8 have been put into Vit because I use this char for driving/tanking)

But even with 60 Dex from items, I'm still only at 110 Dex, and I like to be at ~130 when I solo in the Arena. Feeder thru Monk classes have VERY low dex (Minus Rogue but then you have a huge Strength problem). Don't under estimate the power of Dex, and with the strength on your 1-45 Charm, your strength isn't going to be lacking. Not having to stat Dex at all in your climb is an amazing thing, and it is wonderful to always be at your MQ dex. That way your entire climb you go just pump Strength with some Int I guess. You're heals are good enough you won't need much, especially with your life steal, and on top of that you glyph very well, a top notch glypher, so "IF" you needed help healing, Int and HM glyphs should come to you fairly easy and cheap. But you heals are good enough (plus LS) I don't think it will be an issue. Without going into a huge post like Royce, I'll just say 30 IMO... :)


I'm a bit off here now, I thought your 1-45 Charm has Strength and LS, not Dex and LS. I'll review again later and post. Working out now and was too late to edit this post above.
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Jun 2 2010 03:49pm
Quote (WarFox @ Jun 2 2010 05:05pm)
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all that work and just four letters, im heartbroken hahas

I had some time on my hands :lol:

Anxious for the big interview Friday, sounds harder than first expected and pushed
to this friday, so might as well do something while im eagerly awaiting ;) Was expecting
just a face-face one on one interview but turns out might be more interviewers at one
time. Just adds to the pressure with eye contact and all that talking. Phew.

Im ready though as always.

This post was edited by Legolas_RH on Jun 2 2010 03:52pm
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Quote (Legolas_RH @ Jun 2 2010 04:49pm)
all that work and just four letters, im heartbroken hahas

I had some time on my hands :lol:

Anxious for the big interview Friday, sounds harder than first expected and pushed
to this friday, so might as well do something while im eagerly awaiting ;) Was expecting
just a face-face one on one interview but turns out might be more interviewers at one
time. Just adds to the pressure with eye contact and all that talking. Phew.

Im ready though as always.


Think of them in their underwear, smile a bit, and then focus. Nothing to be worried about.
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any suggestions on how to gain mute prof faster>? oh gods of all that be? :hail: :sniper:
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Quote (GunslingerOfOld @ Jun 2 2010 06:45pm)
any suggestions on how to gain mute prof faster>?  oh gods of all that be?  :hail:  :sniper:


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