Yup thanks for the fix. I have my box again!

My counter counter-argument is: Facts are relative, science therefore relies only on frame of references, most of the time not your own.

23:43 Click, the door unlocks.
23:43 Click, the door unlocks.
23:44 Boom, the door explodes into a cloud of dust. You have failed the test.

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+1 The Trust

ty for the Climb Ryan, Tim (to 52), JT, James

This post was edited by dpaules on Mar 18 2011 09:48pm

Your counter counter argument is flawed. Fact is fact. For something to be considered a fact, it must be able to withstand all questioning and never fail. Else it's merely an instance, case, or theory. To become either a Scientific Law or a Fact, it must be the case 100% of the time, every time, all the time. Truth, on the other hand, is relative, and alters based on reference, perception, who the winner is, who will get rich off of it, who will keep their relationship intact based upon it, etc. "Truth" is unreliable in an extreme, and further, what is "true" for one person, may be completely "false" for another. For instance, "Levi's Jeans are quite comfortable". That statement, to me, is 100% true. I love Levis. Unfortunately, there are many who disagree with my assessment. Therefore, to them, it is false. Yet I did not lie, and I did tell the truth. Further, the statement, as I wrote it, is not even factual. Why? Well, the only thing you have to do to make me recant, is toss me a pair of childrens levis, tell me to try them on and tell you how comfortable they are. Suddenly, I must be more detailed. 32/34 sized Mens Levis jeans, preferably 505 style, are very comfortable for me. Now, that would once again be true. Yet then, if you were to toss my jeans in a hot washer, dry them extra long, and shrink them, it would once again debunk the statement. Truth, my friend, is indeed relative. Facts? Right this moment, while typing this, I am smoking a Pall Mall Red cigarette. That is a fact. It is irrefutable, and that fact will NEVER change. This post could be archived and last 10,000 years, yet the fact that I was smoking while typing it would still be 100% accurate. And there's the difference between a fact, and a truth.

Glad you got your quick reply turned back on.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 18 2011 10:22pm

Oooo nice one dave. My combo failed you it seems .

That is also untrue about fact or irrefutability, right now you perceive that you are smoking Pall Mall Red cigarette, yet the reality is you might for example be smoking some other crap brand (sry pall mall is cheap), or you might not be smoking at all. It is not a matter of perception anymore, it's a matter of reality. In quantum physics it is possible for some occurrence to travel back in time or for something to be at two places at the same time blah blah blah. While you apparently smoking this pall mall, you are nowhere near the definition of smoking it since all matter have electrons and electrons repel one another, you are not even touching the cigarrette, even if you feel that you are. The only proof that you have of your existence (if any) is that you are thinking, to quote Descartes, "Je pense donc je suis".

tl:dr

Get a better brand of cigarettes. Fact is only what the majority have agreed upon, truth may or may not follow the same trend. And to quote my awesome dad, "the whole world may think of one thing, and the whole world may be wrong".

And yes I'm glad I can quick reply too! Without this I do not function. That's my excuse for the afkness

Nice post, saf. If you care to debunk the laws of physics, you'd use the same methodology. Thing is, the laws of physics cannot be disproven using known means. Hence why that gibberish you're spouting regarding Quantum Mechanics is all classed under "theory", because while infinity may be possible, it simply cannot be proven. Just like the various gods worshipped throughout mankind's history. If you cannot prove the existance, you set it to one side and focus on the reality around you. Thing is, the cigarette I smoked while making that post? Most certainly was a pall mall. Witnesses can attest.

I do like the idea presented that all of existance happened simultaneously, time is a complete fiction, and your entire life is merely an attempt at making order out of what happened during that portion of existance which you participated in though. Fun stuff.

nope that was before I asked you for the combo

03:23 Boom, the door explodes into a cloud of dust. You have failed the test.

+1 The Trust

ty for the climb Phil, Ryan (Resetrules), Nate, Ryans (RyRy)

This post was edited by dpaules on Mar 19 2011 01:25am

you're welcome ofc

sorry about that dave sleep overcame me

This post was edited by StealinHerHeart on Mar 19 2011 03:18am

np, and congrats on the Monk Timlikethat

The laws of physics were for the most part discovered by people who followed Descartes' reasoning rather than the teachings of their times

I'm stuck on a very laggy comp guys but am about this evening, won't be clicking though perhaps a little fishing
hc's first fishing ninja? perhaps not.