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Dec 21 2010 07:02pm
Quote (ilikeitlikethat @ Dec 20 2010 01:29pm)
Congratulations to Rafaels for his promotion to Second Lieutenant!


Way to go, Brotherman!


:hail:


Good stuff! It is truly an accomplishment to gain such a rank in the time you have been with us.

Hopefully everyone is having a great holiday season so far. Just finished up a trip to the grandparents house and starting up my 2 weeks of partying with friends in Atlanta. It has been so hectic, hopefully after the season is over I can jump on for an mq or two.

And Safmy, I could never vote against you. You are my rock!
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Dec 21 2010 07:27pm
Quote (juliusjuice @ Dec 21 2010 09:01pm)
been talking to people on both siders via pm and decided i have to post my 2 cents. sry not trying to bring up old shit but here is how i feel about recent events:

i know there has been a bit of drama around here, im not that active (i dont LS anymore) but i joined this guild a long time ago damnit. i gave LS a ton of my time when this guild was young and continue to fund/give hefty loans regularly to keep us moving. this guild represents all of us in the d2jsp community, the fact that an admitted scammer (if only known by few) was allowed to stay in the guild (and a big scam) really disgusted me. i know that person brings points (far more than me) and helps people with gear loans etc... but this guild has to stick to its principles, end of story. i am glad the decision was made and stand by that decision 100%. #1 ranked guild is really in an amazing spot to set an example.


Since we're all about expressing opinions. I can express my honest opinion that Roy has never scammed nor did he intend to (while in The Trust to my best knowledge). And I was privy to a lot of information from many parties regarding the scamming shenanigans. I clearly expressed that Roy was (and to me still is) an excellent member of The Trust. I'm surprised there aren't more people expressing gratitude towards him but not all actions are out in the open.

Let's not get into how we have contributed towards the guild, because the majority of us have sunk in a significant amount of time/fg/money and effort into making this guild what it is today. Roy too has done that, and his departure is not proof or lack thereof of any case otherwise. He left or was removed because there was friction between him and certain individuals, but I dare anyone to show me proof of him breaking the code of honour because it did not happen.

Congrats Raf on the promotion. And you are my soul Dano.
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Dec 21 2010 09:38pm
Quote (Safmy @ Dec 21 2010 08:27pm)
Since we're all about expressing opinions. I can express my honest opinion that Roy has never scammed nor did he intend to (while in The Trust to my best knowledge). And I was privy to a lot of information from many parties regarding the scamming shenanigans. I clearly expressed that Roy was (and to me still is) an excellent member of The Trust. I'm surprised there aren't more people expressing gratitude towards him but not all actions are out in the open.

Let's not get into how we have contributed towards the guild, because the majority of us have sunk in a significant amount of time/fg/money and effort into making this guild what it is today. Roy too has done that, and his departure is not proof or lack thereof of any case otherwise. He left or was removed because there was friction between him and certain individuals, but I dare anyone to show me proof of him breaking the code of honour because it did not happen.

Congrats Raf on the promotion. And you are my soul Dano.


I like to be candid and cut all the fluffy bullshit. Perhaps that's not appreciated by you, but I would do myself a disservice as a man if I did not. I have been here during great times as well as sullen ones and will not run and hide from adversity or controversy. Things can't get better if someone doesn't deal with issues. They'll eventually catch up to everyone's detriment if incessantly avoided.

I had not made mention of the subject matter despite it being prevalent here lately. However, to see my fellow guild mates critiqued and others allowed to arbitrarily talk shit isn't kosher.

Your surprise about people not expressing gratitude is warranted. Particularly since you are not privy to as much as others within the guild are.

The departed was and is an excellent Ladder Slasher player. That is undeniable. There are a plethora of superb Ladder Slashers within the jsp community but not all are going to mesh well with any/every guild they interact with or join.

As this realm being our communal venue of expression, Jesse as well as any other guild member can arbitrarily say what they wish. If it is done with courtesy and respect, then all is fair and it is appreciated. Otherwise it should be conveyed via private messages or another communication stream. That same courtesy has been extended to individuals who are not in The Trust. Attempting to silence people from being heard and speaking freely is not tantamount to a comfortable environment where people feel respected.

There have been issues for some time that were either ignored or procrastinated addressing. This posturing of the departed being mistreated or disrespected is bullshit. Without getting into detail publicly, I will go on the record to assure you and any other readers that it wasn't imminent for it to end this way.

Several conversations took place. I had shared my perspective as well as the unhappiness of other guild mates due to lack of resolve from their attempts to amend things directly. I made it clear that my personal feelings were put aside to be as objective as possible for the benefit of the guild. Otherwise, no discussions would have occurred at all. I told him about the common issues that members shared (including myself). I made suggestions about how we could work things out and even asked him for his input and ideas moving forward. He didn't agree with my suggestions but also didn't offer alternatives beyond others needing to change.
I made it clear to him that I had your support to remove him from the guild and he encouraged me to get it over with and not let it drag out. I opted to give it time and not do things in haste as a week went by with him on jsp daily without a word to me either way.

Code of honor? I had already shared with you, Tim, and Dano instances when that was breached. I'll accept that dare and go public if necessary. Let him arbitrarily maintain "honor" in your view or when it is to his benefit.

In summation, the guy is a damn good slasher. As exemplified by his rhetoric in this guild chat as of late, his character is not tantamount to that of The Trust. We are a TEAM and no single person here is greater or superior to any other member. He failed to grasp that and relished things revolving around him.

We don't all have to love each other and be cuddly friends, but we have all maintained mutual respect amongst us. That was lost.

Let him keep throwing this pity party about how there was a conspiracy to boot him by me and a few others. I am amused how those involved in conversations over the last few months pertaining to his removal have nothing but favorable things to say about him at this time. Yes, I kicked him. However, I did not do it without agreement or expressed understanding from my peers.

My opinion.
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Dec 22 2010 06:14am
Quote (ilikeitlikethat @ Dec 22 2010 03:38am)
I like to be candid and cut all the fluffy bullshit.  Perhaps that's not appreciated by you, but I would do myself a disservice as a man if I did not.  I have been here during great times as well as sullen ones and will not run and hide from adversity or controversy.  Things can't get better if someone doesn't deal with issues.  They'll eventually catch up to everyone's detriment if incessantly avoided.

I had not made mention of the subject matter despite it being prevalent here lately.  However, to see my fellow guild mates critiqued and others allowed to arbitrarily talk shit isn't kosher.

Your surprise about people not expressing gratitude is warranted.  Particularly since you are not privy to as much as others within the guild are. 

The departed was and is an excellent Ladder Slasher player.  That is undeniable.  There are a plethora of superb Ladder Slashers within the jsp community but not all are going to mesh well with any/every guild they interact with or join. 

As this realm being our communal venue of expression, Jesse as well as any other guild member can arbitrarily say what they wish.  If it is done with courtesy and respect, then all is fair and it is appreciated.  Otherwise it should be conveyed via private messages or another communication stream.  That same courtesy has been extended to individuals who are not in The Trust.  Attempting to silence people from being heard and speaking freely is not tantamount to a comfortable environment where people feel respected. 

There have been issues for some time that were either ignored or procrastinated addressing.  This posturing of the departed being mistreated or disrespected is bullshit.  Without getting into detail publicly, I will go on the record to assure you and any other readers that it wasn't imminent for it to end this way.

Several conversations took place.  I had shared my perspective as well as the unhappiness of other guild mates due to lack of resolve from their attempts to amend things directly.  I made it clear that my personal feelings were put aside to be as objective as possible for the benefit of the guild.  Otherwise, no discussions would have occurred at all.  I told him about the common issues that members shared (including myself).  I made suggestions about how we could work things out and even asked him for his input and ideas moving forward.  He didn't agree with my suggestions but also didn't offer alternatives beyond others needing to change.
I made it clear to him that I had your support to remove him from the guild and he encouraged me to get it over with and not let it drag out.  I opted to give it time and not do things in haste as a week went by with him on jsp daily without a word to me either way.

Code of honor?  I had already shared with you, Tim, and Dano instances when that was breached.  I'll accept that dare and go public if necessary.  Let him arbitrarily maintain "honor" in your view or when it is to his benefit.

In summation, the guy is a damn good slasher.  As exemplified by his rhetoric in this guild chat as of late, his character is not tantamount to that of The Trust.  We are a TEAM and no single person here is greater or superior to any other member.  He failed to grasp that and relished things revolving around him.

We don't all have to love each other and be cuddly friends, but we have all maintained mutual respect amongst us.  That was lost. 

Let him keep throwing this pity party about how there was a conspiracy to boot him by me and a few others.  I am amused how those involved in conversations over the last few months pertaining to his removal have nothing but favorable things to say about him at this time.  Yes, I kicked him.  However, I did not do it without agreement or expressed understanding from my peers.

My opinion.


Fair enough. Now on to bigger things.
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Dec 22 2010 08:03am
Quote (danomak @ Dec 21 2010 09:02pm)
Good stuff!  It is truly an accomplishment to gain such a rank in the time you have been with us. 

Hopefully everyone is having a great holiday season so far.  Just finished up a trip to the grandparents house and starting up my 2 weeks of partying with friends in Atlanta.  It has been so hectic, hopefully after the season is over I can jump on for an mq or two.

And Safmy, I could never vote against you.  You are my rock!


tys <3 dano
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Dec 22 2010 09:47am
Thank you Gabe for the nice run!
Was fun to cata with you again! :love:
Unfortunately I am now covered with dust from that first door that exploded in my face :cry:
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Dec 22 2010 09:52am
Always fun with you Marie :) Thanks to you too for great climb.
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Dec 22 2010 09:54am
Yes ty for this ride ;) fdf but get fun :D
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Dec 22 2010 11:58am
Quote (Warrych @ Dec 22 2010 10:52am)
Always fun with you Marie :) Thanks to you too for great climb.


Congrats on the attempt, Gabe. I am jealous that I don't have opportunities to climb with Marie like I used to. Always fun and never boring, to say the least. :D

Shakes and Fidgets ftw! :o
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Dec 22 2010 01:08pm
congrats on attempt Gabe

Up for a 1-71 cata run in about 6 to 7 hours from this post
so far it is Me, Tim(ilikeitlikethat),Rox,TBA,TBA

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