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Oct 6 2012 11:31am
I've noticed that too many people post their +1 in these topics.
If the item is worth 1-2, fg people normally posts "akara". So then they will sell their items to akara instead of making 1-2 fg(Which they didn't know they could make).
Would be better to have a "P/C-staff", or even better: just a price GUIDE like we had before.

Well, thanks for your time. Would be great if you could post a comment on this.
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Oct 6 2012 11:34am
Quote (Stuk3hu @ Oct 6 2012 12:31pm)
I've noticed that too many people post their +1 in these topics.
If the item is worth 1-2, fg people normally posts "akara". So then they will sell their items to akara instead of making 1-2 fg(Which they didn't know they could make).
Would be better to have a "P/C-staff", or even better: just a price GUIDE like we had before.

Well, thanks for your time. Would be great if you could post a comment on this.


I disagree with this because the release of D3 has prices going up and down every week.
For example, 1 week an 08 WF is 300fg, the next it is 600fg, then on the 3rd week it is back down to 300fg again.
There is just too much fluctuating in between prices right now, it would be complicated to make a price guide at this moment.

Edit: Voted for it to stay the way it is.


This post was edited by D2Jomblified on Oct 6 2012 11:35am
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Oct 6 2012 11:37am
"Price checking is an opinion, not a set in stone deal. If your price check was off, there is no need to flame your checker or repost with please no WRONG price checks."

It is already clear on this.
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Oct 6 2012 11:46am
Quote (D2Jomblified @ 6 Oct 2012 17:34)
I disagree with this because the release of D3 has prices going up and down every week.
For example, 1 week an 08 WF is 300fg, the next it is 600fg, then on the 3rd week it is back down to 300fg again.
There is just too much fluctuating in between prices right now, it would be complicated to make a price guide at this moment.

Edit: Voted for it to stay the way it is.


Well, this is exactly why we need a Price guide / P/C-staff...
And if everyone has One guide for guidance the prices won't fluctuate that much.

Quote (Djsem @ 6 Oct 2012 17:37)
"Price checking is an opinion, not a set in stone deal. If your price check was off, there is no need to flame your checker or repost with please no WRONG price checks."

It is already clear on this.


That's what I meant: People post their "opinions" saying that f.ex items worth 100 fg is worth 50 fg (Just so they can try hustle the guy who needs price check)
Or people saying items are not worth 0.01 fg even if the item is worth 1-3 fg...

You can't say it's allright as it is. People are lying in price check-topics ^_^
And if people don't know, then it's just wrong to post an opinion. That will also ruin the price checking.

This post was edited by Stuk3hu on Oct 6 2012 11:51am
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Assuming you mean the d2jsp staff? They are far too busy dealing with other matters to be checking the prices of items. And as far as price guides go, supply and demand make things hard to gauge prices. However, the fluctuation is more steady for Non-Ladder than Ladder, so a price guide could be plausible for just Non-Ladder. But, a user (probably additional users too) would have to stand up and dedicate a lot of their time to creating a price guide because not all the staff know the prices of items.

Here is an example of a user stepping up and supplying prices: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=59979863&f=52.

The guide for USCNL was removed because nobody updated it since 2010, and since then prices have changed. If there is to be an updated one, there would have to be a few users that get together and compile their knowledge to make the topic. As I've said, the staff are too busy with other duties to be price checking items or to be making an "official" price guide.

But even still, a price guide will merely be a compilation of opinions. What you do with those opinions is your choice in the end.

Quote (Djsem @ Oct 6 2012 01:37pm)
"Price checking is an opinion, not a set in stone deal. If your price check was off, there is no need to flame your checker or repost with please no WRONG price checks."

It is already clear on this.


I concur, yet again. :P

Quote (Stuk3hu @ Oct 6 2012 01:46pm)
Well, this is exactly why we need a Price guide / P/C-staff...
And if everyone has One guide for guidance the prices won't fluctuate that much.


The price guide would be based off of the supply and demand pricing of the day the guide is posted, it doesn't account for future fluctuation of supply and demand, and so a price guide would eventually be rendered null unless actively updated (essentially daily; weekly tops).

Quote (Stuk3hu @ Oct 6 2012 01:46pm)
That's what I meant: People post their "opinions" saying that f.ex items worth 100 fg is worth 50 fg (Just so they can try hustle the guy who needs price check)
Or people saying items are not worth 0.01 fg even if the item is worth 1-3 fg...

You can't say it's allright as it is. People are lying in price check-topics ^_^
And if people don't know, then it's just wrong to post an opinion. That will also ruin the price checking.


As said above, the supply and demand will eventually nullify any price guide that is made. Not to mention, price guides are going to be opinionated still because of supply and demand. They account for the supply and demand of every item, and make a pricing based on that; an opinion, in essence.

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Quote (Stuk3hu @ Oct 6 2012 12:46pm)
Well, this is exactly why we need a Price guide / P/C-staff...
And if everyone has One guide for guidance the prices won't fluctuate that much.



That's what I meant: People post their "opinions" saying that f.ex items worth 100 fg is worth 50 fg (Just so they can try hustle the guy who needs price check)
Or people saying items are not worth 0.01 fg even if the item is worth 1-3 fg...

You can't say it's allright as it is. People are lying in price check-topics ^_^
And if people don't know, then it's just wrong to post an opinion. That will also ruin the price checking.


The price guide will not help. It is all about what items are available, and how high the demand is. If it is a low demand, prices are going to be lower, if it is a high demand, prices will be higher.
Let me give you another example of what I am talking about:

Wed Jul 18 2012 01:38:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received 1,800.00 (349.37 -> 2,149.37) from VeRSeS (11,200.00 -> 9,400.00) 9x eye gfx 45 pnbs
This was back in July of 2012 when i sold 9x 45 life pnb gcs

Now, this is what people are paying today, due to the high demand of necromancers:
Example thread 1: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64780355&f=53&p=433395832#p433395832
Example thread 2: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64802268&f=53&p=433585001#p433585001
Example thread 3: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64774535&f=53&p=433347104#p433347104

Even in the third thread, Gunnz @ jsp stated that they are worth 2.4k, but I sold mine @ 1.8k.
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Oct 6 2012 12:03pm
When did I mention jsp staff? Yes, they will be a "Jsp Pricecheckstaff", but it's doesn't have to be medi's or mod's. No... <_<

I just want a firm price guide that EVERYONE can follow!
5-10 fg off the guide won't matter. But with this "Price guide" EVERYONE will know what they can expect to get out of their items. And the prices will not fluctuate that much, because everyone is following the guide.
You don't have to care about supply and demand. The guide says that an item is worth that much, so noone will massivly decrease the price or increase it. And "supply/demand" is just nonsense. Of course price-system will turn into chaos if you follow this.

I just want to follow a written guide, instead of what 1000's of people who just post what they want to pay for the item.
Is it just me that thinks a Guide or a Pricecheckstaff would be better? I mean,

Quote (D2Jomblified @ 6 Oct 2012 18:02)
The price guide will not help. It is all about what items are available, and how high the demand is. If it is a low demand, prices are going to be lower, if it is a high demand, prices will be higher.
Let me give you another example of what I am talking about:

Wed Jul 18 2012 01:38:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received 1,800.00 (349.37 -> 2,149.37) from VeRSeS (11,200.00 -> 9,400.00) 9x eye gfx 45 pnbs
This was back in July of 2012 when i sold 9x 45 life pnb gcs

Now, this is what people are paying today, due to the high demand of necromancers:
Example thread 1: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64780355&f=53&p=433395832#p433395832
Example thread 2: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64802268&f=53&p=433585001#p433585001
Example thread 3: http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64774535&f=53&p=433347104#p433347104

Even in the third thread, Gunnz @ jsp stated that they are worth 2.4k, but I sold mine @ 1.8k.


You don't have to care about demand/supply!
You only have to care about the "right price". Prices are a complete chaos as it is today.

And this example.... <_< 50 fg each skiller is nothing. 2 of these did not want to buy for 2400 fg it seems, so the actual price is 2000-2200 fg for 9x 45 pb skilelrs.
Nice example of showing a nice and steady price that would've fit right into the price guide I want.

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Oct 6 2012 12:10pm
Quote (Stuk3hu @ Oct 6 2012 01:03pm)
When did I mention jsp staff? Yes, they will be a "Jsp Pricecheckstaff", but it's doesn't have to be medi's or mod's. No... <_<

I just want a firm price guide that EVERYONE can follow!
5-10 fg off the guide won't matter. But with this "Price guide" EVERYONE will know what they can expect to get out of their items. And the prices will not fluctuate that much, because everyone is following the guide.
You don't have to care about supply and demand. The guide says that an item is worth that much, so noone will massivly decrease the price or increase it. And "supply/demand" is just nonsense. Of course price-system will turn into chaos if you follow this.

I just want to follow a written guide, instead of what 1000's of people who just post what they want to pay for the item.
Is it just me that thinks a Guide or a Pricecheckstaff would be better? I mean,



You don't have to care about demand/supply!
You only have to care about the "right price". Prices are a complete chaos as it is today.

And this example.... <_<  50 fg each skiller is nothing. 2 of these did not want to buy for 2400 fg it seems, so the actual price is 2000-2200 fg for 9x 45 pb skilelrs.
Nice example of showing a nice and steady price that would've fit right into the price guide I want.


So what you are saying is that the economy doesn't have to care about supply and demand? Supply and Demand is what runs an economy.

Also, where did you get 50fg each skiller? One wanted to pay 2.2k
two were selling for 2k, and one sold his for 2.4k.
So what you want is a price guide that ranges in prices (2k-2.4k)?
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Oct 6 2012 12:11pm
Quote (Stuk3hu @ 6 Oct 2012 12:46)
That's what I meant: People post their "opinions" saying that f.ex items worth 100 fg is worth 50 fg (Just so they can try hustle the guy who needs price check)
Or people saying items are not worth 0.01 fg even if the item is worth 1-3 fg...

You can't say it's allright as it is. People are lying in price check-topics ^_^
And if people don't know, then it's just wrong to post an opinion. That will also ruin the price checking.


It has been like this for years.
Only difference now is that it is shown with the rest of the trading posts instead of having a seperate section for price checking for all the realms.

If you do not know a price on something, then what else are you going to do.
Ask around for people to price check it or make a Ft topic and bump it endlessly hoping someone will make a big offer?

Also asking someone to enforce this will take some work as well since prices change every single day.
Some users do not feel it is worth it to try and trade it instead of just leaving it and attempt to sell something else.

You are saying 1-2 fg is fg is still valued, which I agree that every single fg is valued no matter the cost.
But if a user feels that it is worth less than what another user think it is, than that is what they think.
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Oct 6 2012 12:27pm
Quote (Djsem @ 6 Oct 2012 18:11)
It has been like this for years.
Only difference now is that it is shown with the rest of the trading posts instead of having a seperate section for price checking for all the realms.

If you do not know a price on something, then what else are you going to do.
Ask around for people to price check it or make a Ft topic and bump it endlessly hoping someone will make a big offer?

Also asking someone to enforce this will take some work as well since prices change every single day.
Some users do not feel it is worth it to try and trade it instead of just leaving it and attempt to sell something else.

You are saying 1-2 fg is fg is still valued, which I agree that every single fg is valued no matter the cost.
But if a user feels that it is worth less than what another user think it is, than that is what they think.


"It's been like this for years" - No 2 years ago we had a Price guide. And it worked Pretty well.
What we got now is: 100's of people posting their opinions, where 40-50% of them only posts to get +1.
And prices are fluctuating like never before!

"If you do not know a price"
Wouldn't it be great with a price GUIDE to see how much you can expect to get out of the item? (If the demand is high, then add a few fg. It's not complicated).
This price guide is not a CHECK! It is a GUIDE!

"you are saying 1-2 fg is still valued"
So, I'm just gonna sell my item to akara because 3 ppl says it is akara? And then a week later someone who actually got knowledge about prices tells me it was worth 100 fg. What to do? The item was allready sold to akara, because my topic got spammed down with that word.

I'm not suggesting a Price check topic. I am suggesting a price guide topic to guide you to the correct price!/ a brand new "PriceGuideStaff" For volunteers who would like to help people figuring out what to expect for the items.
Priceguide-topic will be the Easiest, of course.


This post was edited by Stuk3hu on Oct 6 2012 12:34pm
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