Idk if this has been suggested before, in fact I'd be surprised if it wasn't.


Adding an actually chat room into the site, like the guild ones.

Maybe making it donor only or putting it in general chat sub forum.


I think it would be pretty Bad ass to have like a built in chat in a subforum or for donors.


Added speech may be a step to far but is an idea.

Would really motivate people to wanna to wanna donate.

Why just general chat? If this were to be passed, it would be unfair to EVERY other subforum.

I also don't like the "donors only" concept. You know what that says to me? "Unless you give free money, you cannot fully use this site". I don't think Paul would want this promoted, that donors had some sort of "special feature". I mean, you have the donor forum, which makes sense as people are screened for entry and must pay FG / money to enter, so scam likelihood is considerably reduced. Giving donors extra features simply because they donated just makes Paul look like a greedy asshole, to be honest. I don't think he wants that image.

Also, have you considered what non-donors would do if they wanted to use general chat? Would they just be barred from it or what?

Overall, quite a bad idea in my opinion. No.

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There are other ways to get donor access besides donating your self... So rather then paying money you could simply pay fg for someone to do this for you. There is actually a thread detected just for this. When you take in to account that there are already so many things that cost fg like this it really isn't that big of a deal for people to pay fg for donor status...(ie colored name or videos in profile) Its not that donors have special access, anything donors get non donors can get as well. Donation is what keeps this site running and what makes running this site even worthwhile for paul.



Many many sites run of donations... Yes people make profits off them but to want to award people for donations makes you an asshole lol? That concept is flat out ignorant. For this to be implemented Donors would still get no more access the non donors. People who would want chat capabilities would simply have to buy donor access with fg.

One could argue that it isn't fair that people that spend money on donor access just get in where as people who want in have to pay fg to get donor access. Again this is what makes the site run. The same thing is applied to the currency of the forum... Is it unfair that people can donate and get fg where others have to work for it? No...


Sorry sir but you entire fight against this was just an un educated ramble...

This post was edited by Kevorkian on Aug 8 2010 07:38pm

"you entire fight". "un educated". "your self".

You just spelled your insult of my intelligence incorrectly. That really is laughable ^^ Please grasp basic grammar and spelling before attempting to insult someone's intelligence, if you would be so kind.

Yes, I do know about donate for me. Your main countering point here is that donations should be rewarded and they "Make the site run", yet contradict yourself by saying people don't have to donate using cash, thereby, not "making the site run" whatsoever.

The concept of people wanting more of anything = greed. I honestly don't see how that is an ignorant concept, it's basic logic. The perception of Paul already is gneerally poor, I find, who ALREADY makes a large sum of money by effectively, doing very little these days. If he is seen to be wanting more donators by rewarding them, it is a natural perception that people will see him as greedy. Basic cause and effect.

Donations do not keep this site running. Purchases of forum gold keep this site running, because D2JSP is a business. The only reason to actually donate at JSP is donor forum access, whether you want to dress it up differently or not. Stars come with the purchase of FG, so one who has donor forum access and wishing to obtain more stars would logically purchase, to obtain FG as well as stars.

However, more to the concept at hand, forum gold is only in this site because it was, at one point or another, purchased. BOUGHT. USING MONEY. Yes? Therefore even FG transactions "back into the site" give Paul money, as the FG values go up as there is less in circulation, or people obtain more in order to donate. It's not really a difficult concept, Paul wins no matter what. Encouraging more people to "donate" with either forum gold or money, therefore, is means to an end of Paul obtaining more money for himself.



Because Paul can speak for himself about how OTHERS percieve him?



This post was edited by Razzattack on Aug 8 2010 08:40pm

First of all, I don't think your argument should be based on speaking on Paul's behalf regarding his image.
Secondly, I would like to point out that Paul recently implemented a guild chat/thread feature which replaced free guild communication with a system costing fg. So purely from an observational stand-point, I don't think Paul has too much of an issue with charging fg for certain features he feels should cost something.

I null my vote btw.

I wasn't exactly going after your intelligence per se, rather your understanding of the argument at hand. The fact you feel the need to defend your self by going after some obviously small and meaningless typos shows nothing but your shortcoming.



Not exactly... Even if one doesn't donate them selves they are paying someone else fg to donate for them. Thus still making the site run.



I was saying the fact that you think doing this makes him a asshole is ignorant as you can see in the quote below. What he does and how much he deserves for doing it is hardly your place. He should want more donors, more money is good.



Not sure why you think him having and wanting money is such a bad thing lol...

This post was edited by Kevorkian on Aug 8 2010 09:41pm

This is a forum not a chat room.

Yes it is, but as of now it does have a chat function for guilds. Why cant there be one for donors?

I chose to highlight it as you deemed my argument "un educated", uneducated has a negative connotation towards unintelligence, which was laughable as you had made basic errors. If this displays my "shortcoming", then surely it also displays yours, as you initially were the one who began with the ad hominem - the first sign of a weak argument.

It would appear that you are the ignorant one, having not read what I actually wrote. I did not even go so far as to even mention my own disposition towards Paul, I merely pointed it out that this image would inevitably be shown and inforced. Why do you think, stereotypically, people don't like bankers, or lawyers? This is because the perception of them is that they are greedy. They are not necessarily greedy, it is about how they are perceived. Rightly or wrongly, Paul seen to be desiring more donations, or money, makes him look as though he were greedy.

Having and wanting money is NOT a bad thing. Read what I am actually saying, in that that is how he will be perceived.



There is the D2JSP instant messenger service for instant chats. There is also the live guild chats. There is absolutely no reason why a single subforum, general chat, as you suggested, to be made into a live chat, especially if it was donors only.

You have still, as of yet, failed to explain what would happen to non-donors who wish to post in general chat, if this were to be implemented into general chat on a donor only basis.

This post was edited by Razzattack on Aug 9 2010 06:15am