In the time i have been using d2jsp, i have found it to be a rather proffecient trading aid for use on the European D2load trading server. With forums filled with plantiful amounts of users all willing to trade ( having placed their faith in a strong currency ), it has prooved much easier to acquire items or indeed sell items using fg than by using the rather poor trading system on bnet ( where there is no real " defined currency " ).

However the one thing I have a problem with is the purchasing of forum gold by the means of donating to d2jsp. A financial site posts the definition of donation as:

"donation - A gift or contribution to a charity or public institution without conditions and/or restrictions. The donation is voluntary and there is no direct benefit to the donor in return."

Well quite frankly, the recieving of forum gold is a direct benifit in return to the donor, therefore how can it really be considered a donation, a more accurate term to describe this would be a transaction. Although i am no " economics expert " like many of the users on this forum might well be, am i wrong in thinking that the " creation " of forum gold leads to hyperinflation not too disimilar to the post war years of German ( post WW1 ), where money was printed in order to pay the annual reparation payments - dictated by the treay of versailles, this caused hyper inflation and lead to all german money being worthless ( eventually leading to a new currency being brought in ). If d2jsp money continues to be handed out for " donations " wont the high circulation of forum gold lead to a massive depreciation in its value ( hitting hard some of the users that had large amounts of forum gold ).

However, that is not the only point of my concern.Although this would be complicated i propose having a forum system where you have gold " per game you play ", altjhough at first that sems rather daunting, many of the people i know on the forum only really use d2jsp for one game ( diablo ), and only really paly 2 forms of it ( ladder and non ladder ). For me there needs to be some differentiation between the forum gold of ladder and the forum gold of non ladder. This is because otherwise, this completely defeats the point of the ladder in d2.

Here's a quote form the Q&A about the ladder from the arreat summit website

"What's the advantage to creating a Ladder Character?
This is similar to starting out on a brand new realm. Players will be able to experience Diablo II like when the game was first released. When the Ladder Season first begins, players start at Level 1 and do not have powerful items. They also cannot use powerful high-level items or other high-level characters to help them level up faster. Players create a character in a brand new world (Ladder Character world) where everything (economy, levels) starts from the beginning. The main advantage of creating a Ladder Character is being able to join in on a totally new economy where powerful items are very valuable"

A key point there is that the " economy starts from the beggening ". But hey, wait a second, people with like 50k fg already have an advantage over those who are just playing d2 and dont use d2jsp? Surely that is unfair and goes against the spirit of the ladder?

Ok, although i have no problems of people donating to d2jsp ( as it is a fanastic site ) , i feel that it should only be for a voluntary cause, and in the promise that fg will come as a return, as that gives players who have the ability to spend money on fg the advantage over players who may well be good at the game, but dont want to " purchase forum gold ". For example, a player may work hard and mf to find a few items to trade them into fg, only to find people have got the same fg as them through " ourchasing it ". That cant really be fair can it?

Well, i jsut wanna hear your opinions, please dont shoot the topic down by saying " you are criitisiing d2jsp therefore you must be the spawn of satan " or something like that, as technically as site suggestions are picking up on current " faults with d2jsp, so i not outta the ordinairy in this.

Neway i've done enough talking - now its time to hear what you have to say

I am about 99% certain you buy FG and donate for stars.

You don't donate for FG.

As an 05 user uou prob know 100x better than me, but what got me was the
"When purchasing forum gold from the purchaseGold link above, the gold is automatically delivered instantly after the payment is processed, and your donor star is also updated automatically."
That " your donar star will be updated " was the thing that made me believe this.

There is a section where you can donate voluntarily i think, and as said, i dont have a problem with that, but having your donar start updated for purchasing fg - jus wtf lol?

Edit : Maybe they changed something.

The fact of the matter is, D2JSP is a trading site, it gives people an advantage no matter what way you look at it.

If I was playing D2 AND could only trade with High Runes, I am actually at a disadvantage of someone who has FG whether its from donations or from trading because they can keep their currency and not worry about it poofing.

This post was edited by decoppel on Feb 22 2009 09:30am

Erm, if we had too worry about bnet's currency poofing, then their would be no d2 full stop. I've played for many a year now, and not once have hr's "poofed", never something i've worried about.

To be frankly honest if i was on d2jsp, i'd be more worried about being scammed ( one look at the scammer accusation topic tells you all you need to know about that - it's literally covered with scams ), and while bnet does have a reputation for ppl scamming, from my experience as long as your sensible most of the scams are reallly really obvious ( e.g. swapping the item in trade window etc ), whereas on jsp the trading is based entirely on trust, so if you happen to trade with a guy with higher posts and he scams you ( which has happened to me ), and you dont have sufficient proof ( which in d2jsp terms means having more evidence that the sahara desert has sand ), then your stuck..

Scams can be poofing currency and items, the fact of the matter is because you haven't been scammed (by having a poofed item) is equal to me never being scammed on JSP.

Precautions are required in both games, thats a fact.

Precautions are required in both games..

yes... to your original point -" If I was playing D2 AND could only trade with High Runes, I am actually at a disadvantage of someone who has FG whether its from donations or from trading because they can keep their currency and not worry about it poofing. " you'd be equally worried about being scammed on d2jsp - so that post doesnt really make sense...

Not really, on JSP you can setup precautions such as mediators.

On D2 if you have 30 duped HR in your inventory, and you forget to perm they are all gone.

If you trade your HR vs FG you now have 100FG and no risk of losing it.

Erm jus wtf? What about if you sell those hrs vs that 100 fg eh? The people buy those hrs, the hrs poof, and now they have lost their fg... Dont tell me " they'll be posted in the scammer accusation forum " as although i would never scam, its kinna obvious that by the time someone is locked all they do is sell the fg for items on d2, they got locked a couple of weeks later. But wait a sec - they've gained new items on d2 - and they now have no fg on their locked account anyway....

And dont say " this only applies to scammers " as if you are knowingly perming hrs your a scammer anyway..

Gold purchases are NOT donations. They are PURCHASES.