It's so elegant in its simplicity...

...why didn't I think of it sooner ?

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I ask that you read all the text in this topic thoroughly before participating in the attached poll. If you are a D2jsp Trusted or Mediator tagged member, please contribute to the discussion about this suggestion by posting in this thread. If you do not have a tag, I request that you refrain from posting in order to avoid an unnecessary topic closure. Please read the disclaimer at the bottom of this post carefully before voting. The background for this suggestion is a conversation that I had with RaXu after aggressively reporting repeated infractions on the USE/SC/NL trade forum of D2jsp in vain.That conversation is presented below with the suggestion itself afterwards:


[QUOTE=oscillator,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 19:32][QUOTE=RaXu,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 14:23][QUOTE=oscillator,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 19:03][QUOTE=RaXu,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 13:53][QUOTE=oscillator,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 18:50][QUOTE=RaXu,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 13:32][QUOTE=oscillator,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 18:25][QUOTE=RaXu,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 12:38][QUOTE=oscillator,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 17:34][QUOTE=RaXu,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 08:20][QUOTE=oscillator,Tue, 16 Dec 2008, 06:29]Could you please explain to me again why you verbal warnings do not carry over and you cannot warn someone who is offline for an offense that they committed previously?[/QUOTE]

Because a verbal isn't permanently. They count for the moment, when the user stop, goes offline and 2 days later he starts again - the process with sending verbal warnings start also from the beginning.[/QUOTE]

Alright, I'm going to post a suggestion in the D2jsp Site Suggestion forum to make them stick. Verbal warnings are ineffectual, recidivist offenders stop for a moment until they think the mods are gone and then they start right back up. Both JONG and ubers2themax were flooding the heck out of the USE/SC/NL trade forum last night but I didn't even bother this time, knowing that you nor any other TA/TM can stop them despite having given them prior verbal warnings have having many links to their previous antics in your possession. If there is any other relevant information please state it here so that I can refine the suggestion further.[/QUOTE]

No, that's none of your business so don't post in Site Suggestion - thanks.[/QUOTE]

Apparently it is, these spammers and violators are getting away with impunity and I can't get a word in edgewise. Not to mention that it is apparently far more lucrative to break the D2jsp rules and profit from illegal services than to obey the rules. Does this count as a verbal warning? I'll just wait until tomorrow to post if that's the case. Why should I continue to be a GM trader or report violators' posts when I could more easily scam G Ubers all day, undermine legitimate TT services, spam, early bump my spam, post my items in other trader's threads, duck the mods for a few hours, and then return on the scene to do it all over again? Even if you can't answer that question, another moderator might be able to and if they can't, then there is something seriously wrong here and that deserves the attention of the community at large.[/QUOTE]

You know nothing about the system and how it works. Use the report button, report via PM and everything else is the business of the mod. Accept it like it is, trust me they getting warned when they deserve it. It's not like that we don't do anything against users who keeps breaking the rules.[/QUOTE]

Evidently you don't, I see these guys every single night. As I mentioned before, I spend more time on the board warning threads and getting them closed than I do trading because if I post up a legitimate trade thread it's on page 2 within minutes. The only users who are repremanded seem to be for a) gross violations (phishing links or posting pornography for example), personal attacks on moderators or the website, c) disregarding a verbal warning within the period of time that it is valid. The system should be intuitive or as a member of D2jsp, I should at least feel as though it works. Without fail, these "minor" violations continue to pile up to the detriment of the site and community as a whole. To illustrate my point, just look at how many suggestions on the Site Suggestion subforum there are regarding spam solutions, a "minor" infraction that rarely draws any action (just ask baney123). I still don't see why I should continue walking the straight and narrow when every other violator gets all the forum gold and fun.[/QUOTE]

You got warned for a minor violation and you ignored the verbals. You're the best example that users gets warned when they ignore our verbals.[/QUOTE]

I posted in the wrong forum, the last post was not meant to go in the trade section. I usually have more than one browser window open to D2jsp. I sent d2jsp@d2jsp.com an e-mail regarding that after I was suspended, it was not intentional. Besides, even if it were intentional or I had 60% warns and locked forum gold, that does not address the issue at hand. It is a poor argumentative strategy to attack the speaker instead of its idea.[/QUOTE]

Hey, it was not against you.

Anyway, we have this system since years and it always worked fine. The mainpoint is that we don't want to overmoderate. We have rules how to moderate and when we can warn / send a PM and so on. You cannot tell me that it is impossible to trade, currently the ModTeam is quite big and we take care of reports very fast so the trading grounds should be clean.

But as I already said, collect me the links (else I won't remeber that I already send him a PM) and then we will see if these users stop or not. If they don't I gonna force them to do so. [/QUOTE]

Well it had to be against me ("You're the best example"), but I wasn't trying to duck the mods. Determined users are not so sloppy, which is why they avoid warnings. I PM'd you about ubers2themax and JONG on multiple days and can do so again; you'll warn them, they'll wait until you're offline or the day passes, and then keep at it because verbal warnings don't carry over. This is precisely what I would like to suggest at the Site Suggestion forum, that way you'll have a legal basis for suspending them when they inevitably reoffend even if that is on a later date. This isn't even mentioning that when someone posts something like G Uber services, the damage is already done and locking the post is too late. Although they can't bump, or repost (if they were verbally warned), the thread remains on the trade forum and they receive PM's from interested individuals looking at the locked thread. Additionally, if you verbally warn one member of a G Uber party or illegal trade syndicate they will simply ask someone else who is involved to start posting and that starts the whole charade all over again.[/QUOTE]


I am suggesting that verbal warnings issued by D2jsp Trade Assistants and Trade Mediators no longer expire at the end of the day or when either the moderator or violator goes offline. By implementing this minor change, repeat offenders can be given a formal warning after a legally valid pretext has been established, even if that pretext was established over one day prior to subsequent violations. Essentially, it gives verbal warnings teeth. Teeth that can be used to bite down on recidivist spammers, trade violators, illegal service operators, and other undesirables who disobey the D2jsp staff. Often times, only major violations warrant formal warnings but D2jsp users and moderators themselves acknowledge that minor violations left unchecked cumulate into large disturbances that degrade the site and community as a whole.
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DISCLAIMER: I ask that you vote for this idea based on its merits, not your personal opinion of me or whether or not you think it has a chance of being implemented. The D2jsp Site Suggestion forum is intended to solicit suggestions for things as they should be, not as they are likely to turn out. Thank you for your patience, feedback, and vote.

Verbal warnings would be pointless if they wouldn't expire because you could give normal warnings instead then. For this and for the reason that you are a dick and tried to discriminate me as a not rated user i voted no.

Formal warnings are issued only for "major" violations as I described in my conversation with RaXu ("b)" is missing because Javascript interpreted it as an emoticon). Please read the disclaimer at the bottom of the post as well as the note at the top, I am trying to minimize spam. Besides, the suggestion requires formal action expanding the powers of D2jsp staff, of which you are not a member.

I agree at all, with a No vote.

And why would it be spam? This forum is to discuss the suggestions, not to watch the discussion.
After 30% warn posting rights are disabled here.



You said users without a Tag cannot vote, and now "let this thread die"?
Maybe you want to suggest this too?

This post was edited by Anarkin on Dec 19 2008 06:51am

I've had threads in this forum closed for off-topic posts before which is why I mentioned that. I realize now that by doing so I have unduly offended several voters so please do not reply AT ALL to this thread any longer, let it die. I will repost the idea without the clause about spam so that people can focus on the idea at hand (a big red disclaimer isn't enough?). Please read the ENTIRE post next time or don't read any of it at all.

This post was edited by oscillator on Dec 19 2008 06:45am

PURE ASSHOLE AT IT'S FINEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and EVERY MOD/MED WILL JUST LAUGH AT YOUR IDEA SINCE IT'S ONLY BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT A MILLION TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody has suggested taking the time limits off of verbal warnings in order for them to stack, as far as I'm aware. If you can prove me wrong I'll give you 5 forum gold. Otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEARN TO READ. What does a guy have to do around here to get people to follow instructions?

This post was edited by oscillator on Dec 19 2008 07:00am

You must be registered for a long time. Oh wait.

no simply put

Are you five? Do you understand English? Does the presentation of the idea denigrate the idea itself or do you just have a second grade level of reading comprehension?