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Feb 18 2017 04:06pm
Quote (Madotsuki @ Feb 18 2017 01:59pm)
Well said.

Besides which, there's a reason 'top donors' was changed to 'top customers' on the site home - by Paul's own admission, this site is a business, and all payments made to the site are and always have been purchases.

To imply that goods or services rendered (access to 'donor forum') in exchange for payment is a 'privilege' to the recipient is patently absurd.


Except you're forgetting the part where the donor forum is given to you after a screening process, it's not a 100% chance IIRC (or can be bought, never been there so have no idea). So it's technically a privilege the admins on this site grant you. By that very definition, they are entitled to remove your access

This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Feb 18 2017 04:07pm
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Feb 18 2017 04:26pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ 18 Feb 2017 22:06)
Except you're forgetting the part where the donor forum is given to you after a screening process, it's not a 100% chance IIRC (or can be bought, never been there so have no idea). So it's technically a privilege the admins on this site grant you. By that very definition, they are entitled to remove your access


You aren't wrong in what you say about the screening process, though what I said does remain true. Perhaps I'd have been more accurate in saying that you pay money to be put forward for eligibility, but this is still a service rendered even if the end result is subject to approval (think of it like paying to be being put into a lottery). The bottom line is that you pay and you get something, so 'privilege' doesn't really apply unless we (as HardyTarget touched on a lot better than me) consider the 'privilege' aspect to be something a little less tangible, like the quality of the userbase. Otherwise, I can't perceive why admission might be deemed a 'privilege' if it comes at a cost. This is a customer relationship, as the site clearly bills itself (nowadays anyway).

Obviously the site is not a democracy and nothing is protected or guaranteed by the site or its staff, so I think the argument about what admins are 'entitled' to do is moot. Admins are entitled to do anything they please. The fact can make discussion seem a little valueless, but for my own opinion, I feel that payment should result in guaranteed and permanent admission into the unfortunately termed 'donor forum', as fitting with the self-styled 'customer' model Paul is creating.
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Feb 18 2017 04:34pm
Quote (Madotsuki @ Feb 18 2017 06:26pm)
You aren't wrong in what you say about the screening process, though what I said does remain true. Perhaps I'd have been more accurate in saying that you pay money to be put forward for eligibility, but this is still a service rendered even if the end result is subject to approval (think of it like paying to be being put into a lottery). The bottom line is that you pay and you get something, so 'privilege' doesn't really apply unless we (as HardyTarget touched on a lot better than me) consider the 'privilege' aspect to be something a little less tangible, like the quality of the userbase. Otherwise, I can't perceive why admission might be deemed a 'privilege' if it comes at a cost. This is a customer relationship, as the site clearly bills itself (nowadays anyway).

Obviously the site is not a democracy and nothing is protected or guaranteed by the site or its staff, so I think the argument about what admins are 'entitled' to do is moot. Admins are entitled to do anything they please. The fact can make discussion seem a little valueless, but for my own opinion, I feel that payment should result in guaranteed and permanent admission into the unfortunately termed 'donor forum', as fitting with the self-styled 'customer' model Paul is creating.


Interesting but yes its a priviledge

And lets stick to my poll ty.

Even access to site is a priviledge

This post was edited by serialj0e on Feb 18 2017 04:37pm
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Feb 18 2017 04:38pm
Quote (Madotsuki @ Feb 18 2017 02:26pm)
You aren't wrong in what you say about the screening process, though what I said does remain true. Perhaps I'd have been more accurate in saying that you pay money to be put forward for eligibility, but this is still a service rendered even if the end result is subject to approval (think of it like paying to be being put into a lottery). The bottom line is that you pay and you get something, so 'privilege' doesn't really apply unless we (as HardyTarget touched on a lot better than me) consider the 'privilege' aspect to be something a little less tangible, like the quality of the userbase. Otherwise, I can't perceive why admission might be deemed a 'privilege' if it comes at a cost. This is a customer relationship, as the site clearly bills itself (nowadays anyway).

Obviously the site is not a democracy and nothing is protected or guaranteed by the site or its staff, so I think the argument about what admins are 'entitled' to do is moot. Admins are entitled to do anything they please. The fact can make discussion seem a little valueless, but for my own opinion, I feel that payment should result in guaranteed and permanent admission into the unfortunately termed 'donor forum', as fitting with the self-styled 'customer' model Paul is creating.


Yeah, I understand your point of view. I look at it like this:

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The bottom line is that you pay and you get something


You pay for a chance to get something, very different imo. I think that's where we differ. You already get the forum gold as a rendered service, but have a chance at something. That chance becomes a privilege because it's a screening process. But I understand your point of view, and to be honest it can probably go both ways.

That's why in the first page I said this shouldn't be discussed, it's an administrative internal decision

This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Feb 18 2017 04:39pm
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Feb 18 2017 04:39pm
since you can't use the loveline if you have a warn
this would be a great idea.

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Feb 18 2017 04:41pm
Quote (Cheetos @ Feb 18 2017 06:39pm)
since you can't use the loveline if you have a warn
this would be a great idea.


Thanks i agree broski
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Feb 18 2017 04:42pm
Leave it up to the Mod team. The only reason I was unlocked/untagged in the first place was because of the support of the members in the donor forum.
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Feb 18 2017 04:44pm
Quote (SpamBam @ Feb 18 2017 06:42pm)
Leave it up to the Mod team. The only reason I was unlocked/untagged in the first place was because of the support of the members in the donor forum.


Interesting but couldnt you post in other places and regain respect i think so :)
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Feb 18 2017 04:51pm
Quote (serialj0e @ Feb 18 2017 06:44pm)
Interesting but couldnt you post in other places and regain respect i think so :)


Really? do a social experiment to prove it then?

Scam me.
Admittedly don't send forum gold.
See how hard it is to get scammer tag removed trying to trade item for item in the trading grounds / posting in general help / and posting in general chat section.

Obviously this isn't going to happen, but I'm just saying when someone acts like a jackass in the DF the mod team removes them.
I don't think that Scammer Tag = Bad Person 100% of the time.
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Feb 18 2017 04:53pm
Quote (SpamBam @ Feb 18 2017 06:51pm)
Really? do a social experiment to prove it then?

Scam me.
Admittedly don't send forum gold.
See how hard it is to get scammer tag removed trying to trade item for item in the trading grounds / posting in general help / and posting in general chat section.

Obviously this isn't going to happen, but I'm just saying when someone acts like a jackass in the DF the mod team removes them.
I don't think that Scammer Tag = Bad Person 100% of the time.


Not saying people are bad but i think if you do a crime like scamming you should lose priviledges my opinion tho

Thanks for sharing
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