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Quote (Linkinator @ Mon, 24 Aug 2009, 09:37)
Simply put, No. On the vent server I use, there are only 3 senior admins, myself included. We always get lots of other people asking "Hey can I get mod" and etc. We always say no. The reasons for this are pretty straightforward.

First : To be a mod, especially on a site like JSP, there has to be an ABSOLUTE amount of trust. An amount of trust that no matter how bad things got you would not betray njaguar or any JSP users. That is a very tricky thing. It is simple to make lots of small trades without scamming. But to be trusted in mediation trades with sometimes as much as 65k in items being traded that is a whole different story. 120 posts and one year join date are far from building that level of trust. You have to care more about the integrity of this site than your forum gold.

Second : If everyone had it, there would be no point. Again I will reference my vent server. If everyone had admin, everyone could ban///remove users//do whatever and it would be complete chaos. It would be even worse than not having it at all. Which on that note, not having it at all would basically cause a site like this to go to hell because scammers would never be prosecuted.

Third : Having a trusted tag is not a MUST to do anything. All it does is guarantee you receive first and trades and you can legally make your own service threads. If you are so worried bout receiving first then just use a med. Nuff said. If you are so concerned about offering services, simply offer in people's threads when they are "ISO a grush". You can also befriend a med and offer your services through him/her.

In summary bro, there are plenty of reasons why trusted tag is so hard to get. The more you whine about it the more likely you will never receive it. I have never scammed anyone and value friendship//reputation over any amount of fg, but even so I am miles away from ever even being considered getting a trusted tag. It is best to just put it off your mind and let things unfold as they will


I agree with your first 2 points... the third point however......

Why should Only trusted tagged users be allowed to host services?
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Quote (Anarkin @ Sun, Aug 23 2009, 08:39pm)
Oh, come on, you still may answer to legal requests on Trading Grounds



The current rules are fine, and they are needed (think about an other game called Real Life)

Use mediators, follow the rules. This way you can do everything


( Also read this again, it seems you didn't really understood the meaning of tags  )


All that we are realy asking for is another tag that allows us to post for Grushed//Gubers// and general services in the first place, I mean

idc how often they close my posts, I still get a full room of people for my gubers..

Its just annoying constantly re-posting my threads.
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Quote (SperoJin @ Mon, 24 Aug 2009, 09:41)
All that we are realy asking for is another tag that allows us to post for Grushed//Gubers// and general services in the first place, I mean

idc how often they close my posts, I still get a full room of people for my gubers..

Its just annoying constantly re-posting my threads.


there isn't even a need for a "special" tag.
paul should just allow people to host services.

This post was edited by Greapper on Aug 23 2009 06:45pm
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Quote (Linkinator @ Mon, 24 Aug 2009, 01:37)
Simply put, No. On the vent server I use, there are only 3 senior admins, myself included. We always get lots of other people asking "Hey can I get mod" and etc. We always say no. The reasons for this are pretty straightforward.

First : To be a mod, especially on a site like JSP, there has to be an ABSOLUTE amount of trust. An amount of trust that no matter how bad things got you would not betray njaguar or any JSP users. That is a very tricky thing. It is simple to make lots of small trades without scamming. But to be trusted in mediation trades with sometimes as much as 65k in items being traded that is a whole different story. 120 posts and one year join date are far from building that level of trust. You have to care more about the integrity of this site than your forum gold.

Second : If everyone had it, there would be no point. Again I will reference my vent server. If everyone had admin, everyone could ban///remove users//do whatever and it would be complete chaos. It would be even worse than not having it at all. Which on that note, not having it at all would basically cause a site like this to go to hell because scammers would never be prosecuted.

Third : Having a trusted tag is not a MUST to do anything. All it does is guarantee you receive first and trades and you can legally make your own service threads. If you are so worried bout receiving first then just use a med. Nuff said. If you are so concerned about offering services, simply offer in people's threads when they are "ISO a grush". You can also befriend a med and offer your services through him/her.

In summary bro, there are plenty of reasons why trusted tag is so hard to get. The more you whine about it the more likely you will never receive it. I have never scammed anyone and value friendship//reputation over any amount of fg, but even so I am miles away from ever even being considered getting a trusted tag. It is best to just put it off your mind and let things unfold as they will


You can get a TT with only a few trades dones actually.

Make friend with mods, show them you like what they are doing, show them you like their life, show them you are a good manered trader, and help them with the SA and report violations (+ donates always helps).

If you don't know any mod, you will never get a TT, I saw paul added that (you have to get close to the mod team) to the TT "guide", it was not in before.

This post was edited by Icewind on Aug 23 2009 06:48pm
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Quote (Greapper @ Sun, Aug 23 2009, 08:43pm)
there isn't even a need for a tag.
paul should just allow people to host services.


That too...

But think... if ANYONE can host services then.. Well.. That could cause serious trouble...

They should base a new tag between join date and posts in that time.
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Quote (Greapper @ Sun, Aug 23 2009, 07:40pm)
I agree with your first 2 points... the third point however......

Why should Onlytrusted tagged users be allowed to host services?


I used to hold that same viewpoint cause I do a lot of services myself. But basically it is a monopoly for the mediators//trusted users. Which at first I always thought to be gay too. But tbh, without the meds//trusted JSP could not exist. Period. If they in turn can more easily obtain fg then that is okay, because I could never go back to Bnet after being on JSP for a year. No one is making anyone use JSP. If the rules annoy you well then go back to bnet where you can "rush for forges" and 9 times out of 10 not get a forge payment. Just finding one persons ISO Grush thread and giving them a rush for 15 fg is the equivalent of getting 3 ists which would take countless rushes thru Bnet trading. It is fair imo, but I know a lot of people hold your view as well. Only trusted users being able to offer services only exists to give trusted people a monopoly, and that is a simple fact of life
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Quote (Linkinator @ Sun, Aug 23 2009, 08:45pm)
I used to hold that same viewpoint cause I do a lot of services myself. But basically it is a monopoly for the mediators//trusted users. Which at first I always thought to be gay too. But tbh, without the meds//trusted JSP could not exist. Period. If they in turn can more easily obtain fg then that is okay, because I could never go back to Bnet after being on JSP for a year. No one is making anyone use JSP. If the rules annoy you well then go back to bnet where you can "rush for forges" and 9 times out of 10 not get a forge payment. Just finding one persons ISO Grush thread and giving them a rush for 15 fg is the equivalent of getting 3 ists which would take countless rushes thru Bnet trading. It is fair imo, but I know a lot of people hold your view as well. Only trusted users being able to offer services only exists to give trusted people a monopoly, and that is a simple fact of life


ANNND TBH your view is outnumbered 5:1

I can understand where your coming from. But, it still isn't right to throw the "Teachers Pets" a trusted tag, because everyone
knows. Whoever knows a mediator//Trusted personally, can easily get a tag. Which, IMO is prejudice. D:
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Quote (SperoJin @ Mon, 24 Aug 2009, 09:45)
That too...

But think... if ANYONE can host services then.. Well.. That could cause serious trouble...

They should base a new tag between join date and posts in that time.


how would it cause "Trouble" people get scammed 24/7 on this site already
& thousands of users offer ubers/ grushing without a tag.
(they post / have their topic closed after 10 minutes... open a new one & offer again) for hours on end.

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All that we are realy asking for is another tag that allows us to post for Grushed//Gubers// and general services in the first place, I mean

idc how often they close my posts, I still get a full room of people for my gubers..

Its just annoying constantly re-posting my threads.


re-posting illegal threads is like asking for a warn...

if you don't accept the rules, just don't use the site.
create your own site with your own rules, and be happy...

service scams are quite hard to prove, i made that experience soon after becoming a scammer accusation helper.

if everyone would be allowed to offer services, there would need to be additional subforums just for the service threads.
just count the service threads on one page in any trade forum - with some luck you will find about 5 (if you display 50 topics per page).
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Quote (SperoJin @ Sun, Aug 23 2009, 07:47pm)
ANNND TBH your view is outnumbered 5:1

I can understand where your coming from. But, it still isn't right to throw the "Teachers Pets" a trusted tag, because everyone
knows. Whoever knows a mediator//Trusted personally, can easily get a tag. Which, IMO is prejudice. D:


Like I said man, no one makes you use JSP. That alone I think is the strongest arguement one could make. Just go back to Bnet and there will be no more rules for you to follow. Otherwise suck it up and follow the rules. In terms of obtaining trusted tag, all the "sucking up" and "teachers pet" stuff is just a bit of a rigorous process to ensure that whoever does end up receiving a trusted tag is indeed trustable and dedicated to njaguar...
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