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Apr 2 2009 11:38pm
Never going to happen.
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Apr 2 2009 11:39pm
Quote (crapped @ Fri, Apr 3 2009, 01:35am)
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Again, bud, please READ and COMPREHEND before replying. You're not reading or comprehending.

ACTIVE accounts would gain karma/trust/whatever over a long (years) period of time. That is accounts that would post occasionally. No scammer is going to spend years making an account to do this other than by automated means of posting, which can be detected unless they're very good. Any system can be broken. Scammers here are out for a quick fg, not a Bernie Madoff 20 year ponzi scheme.

As for selling accounts, what prevents you from selling your user/pass to someone and now they're a trusted? An IP verification for trusteds before they can login? An email verification? Well that could be implemented for karma'ed members just as well as mod/trusteds. And it could be broken as well. No system is 100%.

Please READ before you refute with the same tired argument. You're spammin up my post making me explain the same things to you over and over.


I read your first post in full, and you are now adding to what you said there. That's fine.

Posting without getting warns still does NOT make you a trusted person in any way, shape, or form. It just means you can follow the rules. If you read the "how to get a trusted tag" guide there are more things that go into it than simply being able to follow the rules.

And what I said before still stands: there is no "in between" state where you are "somewhat" trusted. Either you are trusted or you are not.

This post was edited by DoomOnYou on Apr 2 2009 11:40pm
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Apr 2 2009 11:39pm
I think it works just fine the way it is..

You can be "trusted" without a trusted tag.

I've read what you have to say and honestly I don't see a need for an overhauling. Yes it could be discouraging for a user who does his best but doesn't have enough time to be as active as he or she would like but it isn't about having the blue letters beside your trader rating.

There are other factors that can determine if someone has genuine integrity :)

Regardless best of luck to you and hope you make peace with your suggestion.

My vote would be no :)
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Apr 2 2009 11:44pm
Quote (DoomOnYou @ Fri, Apr 3 2009, 05:39am)
I read your first post in full, and you are now adding to what you said there.  That's fine.

Posting without getting warns still does NOT make you a trusted person in any way, shape, or form.  It just means you can follow the rules.  If you read the "how to get a trusted tag" guide there are more things that go into it than simply being able to follow the rules.

And what I said before still stands: there is no "in between" state where you are "somewhat trusted".  Either you are trusted or you are not.

This guy was trusted, but he messed with Paul's piggy bank and now he isn't anymore:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=208728

I trust mediators, but even then, there's no absolute guarantee someone can be trusted, so technically, the current "trusted" tag is already an in between. There should be a way to distinguish someone that made trades without problems and isn't likely to be a scammer from a multi that was sent some fg to go on a scamming spree.

This post was edited by Sylvanas on Apr 2 2009 11:45pm
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Apr 2 2009 11:46pm
Quote (DoomOnYou @ Fri, Apr 3 2009, 01:39am)
I read your first post in full, and you are now adding to what you said there. That's fine.

Posting without getting warns still does NOT make you a trusted person in any way, shape, or form. It just means you can follow the rules. If you read the "how to get a trusted tag" guide there are more things that go into it than simply being able to follow the rules.

And what I said before still stands: there is no "in between" state where you are "somewhat" trusted. Either you are trusted or you are not.


It's clearly not that black and white, do you actually buy into all that?
You're looking too far into his literal words.
Look past the warn.

There are plenty of people who are perfectly active, friendly, helpful, try hard and probably will never get a TT.
Nice people like my boy iGuard, people like djinni who tries way too hard.
People like me before I gave up on the system long long ago, I'll admit based on my actions over the last year there's no chance in hell I'll ever get trusted even though I'd never scam anyone.

I agree with what wassabi says, though they system is discouraging, people can proove to be perfectly trustworthy through their actions, and hopefully it'll pay off in other users' eyes.
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Apr 2 2009 11:48pm
Quote (Sylvanas @ Fri, Apr 3 2009, 12:44am)
This guy was trusted, but he messed with Paul's piggy bank and now he isn't anymore:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=208728

I trust mediators, but even then, there's no absolute guarantee someone can be trusted, so technically, the current "trusted" tag is already an in between. There should be a way to distinguish someone that made trades without problems and isn't likely to be a scammer from a multi that was sent some fg to go on a scamming spree.


Lol he scammed me.

But to the "in between tag" shit.
No. It's fine the way it is.
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Apr 2 2009 11:55pm
Quote (DarkTraus @ Fri, Apr 3 2009, 05:48am)
Lol he scammed me.

But to the "in between tag" shit.
No. It's fine the way it is.

This site needs something to help prevent scamming.

The middle "active" tag for all the good people that don't get the trusted tag would be one. Or a eeebay-style trade log in which you could see feedback on the trades a user has done,

This post was edited by Sylvanas on Apr 2 2009 11:55pm
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Apr 2 2009 11:56pm
Please read the help documents, namely the one about the Not Rated tag: http://www.d2jsp.org/index.php?a=wiki&s=6&p=nr

There is no 'dirty' stigma attached to Not Rated members, it simply means your activity on the site is average, and have not done enough to warrant a Trusted status.

Scammers have scammer tags, trusted users have trusted tags. Any mini-trusted tag would just be seen as 'Trusted', making it obsolete.

Use a mediator for safe trading.
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Apr 3 2009 12:01am
Quote (hedonism @ Fri, Apr 3 2009, 05:56am)
Please read the help documents, namely the one about the Not Rated tag: http://www.d2jsp.org/index.php?a=wiki&s=6&p=nr

There is no 'dirty' stigma attached to Not Rated members, it simply means your activity on the site is average, and have not done enough to warrant a Trusted status.

Scammers have scammer tags, trusted users have trusted tags.  Any mini-trusted tag would just be seen as 'Trusted', making it obsolete.

Use a mediator for safe trading.

Actually, a ton of scammers get away with it and stay "not rated". Or if they do get scammer tagged they just make a new account (or switch to one that they prepared in advance) that's also not rated. Hence why a different tag for users with good feedback would help. People can be active and trade with no problems for a long time and forever stay "not rated" in the eyes of the site, yet it hardly means they're not rated.

This post was edited by Sylvanas on Apr 3 2009 12:03am
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Quote (Sylvanas @ Fri, Apr 3 2009, 02:01am)
Actually, a ton of scammers get away with it and stay "not rated". Or if they do get scammer tagged they just make a new one (or switch to one that they prepared in advance) that's also not rated. Hence why a different tag for users with good feedback would help. People can be active and trade with no problems for a long time and forever stay "not rated" in the eyes of the site, yet it hardly means they're not rated.


The tags that are issued by d2jsp are the official ratings of the site. Alleged scammers are innocent until proven guilty, at which point they will be issued a Scammer tag.

Nobody is stopping you from building up a reputation for yourself own among the community. You don't need a tag to show that you are trustworthy. If you trade with another user on the site and have an enjoyable experience, write it down in your profile. This helps those who are trading actively to stand out, as well as show others who may not know you a history of your trade experiences.

Any official rating given out to note an 'above average' or 'active' trader may as well be a trusted tag, because the majority of the site will see it that way. This is why it will not happen.
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