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Oct 6 2012 02:13pm
Quote (Stuk3hu @ 6 Oct 2012 13:27)
"It's been like this for years" - No 2 years ago we had a Price guide. And it worked Pretty well.
What we got now is: 100's of people posting their opinions, where 40-50% of them only posts to get +1.
And prices are fluctuating like never before!

"If you do not know a price"
Wouldn't it be great with a price GUIDE to see how much you can expect to get out of the item? (If the demand is high, then add a few fg. It's not complicated).
This price guide is not a CHECK! It is a GUIDE!

"you are saying 1-2 fg is still valued"
So, I'm just gonna sell my item to akara because 3 ppl says it is akara? And then a week later someone who actually got knowledge about prices tells me it was worth 100 fg. What to do? The item was allready sold to akara, because my topic got spammed down with that word.

I'm not suggesting a Price check topic. I am suggesting a price guide topic to guide you to the correct price!/ a brand new "PriceGuideStaff" For volunteers who would like to help people figuring out what to expect for the items.
Priceguide-topic will be the Easiest, of course.


I was talking about the price check section and not the guide, which is why I said years.
And fluctuating prices will just make the guide outdated too fast, making a large amount of work for almost nothing.

Lastly, if you want to make a guide, then make one.
Nothing gets done if no one makes one. All guides are made by users.
Make one yourself with general items with prices and PM someone that is part of the staff and see if they approve it.
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Oct 6 2012 04:29pm
Quote (Djsem @ 6 Oct 2012 20:13)
I was talking about the price check section and not the guide, which is why I said years.
And fluctuating prices will just make the guide outdated too fast, making a large amount of work for almost nothing.

Lastly, if you want to make a guide, then make one.
Nothing gets done if no one makes one. All guides are made by users.
Make one yourself with general items with prices and PM someone that is part of the staff and see if they approve it.


The guide does not get outdated, because it's not a check, only a guide. So it doesn't ahve to be updated! <_<
"I was talking about the price check section"
About that,What I said earlier was: After this new Price check system came the prices started fluctuate like never before!
With the old price guide there wasn't big changes on the price.

I suggest only to leave a price guide that can guide everyone to finding a price, instead of having 100's of people posting "akara" when the item is worth 1 fg -_-
I'm not suggesting anything new, only to go back to having a price guide instead of the price check-section.

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I'm not bothered by how it is now, because I have a slight knowledge of the prices, but it's sad to see that people with 0.05 fg sell items worth 1-3 fg because most of the random pricecheckers said "akara"


This post was edited by Stuk3hu on Oct 6 2012 04:33pm
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Oct 6 2012 04:33pm
The way the system works right now is fine.
You have the right to make topics there and ask for opinions.

As the prices are going up and down every weeks, we know that price guides aren't viable at all (except for regular game currency : runes, gold, etc.).
Also, having a ''price check staff'' isn't needed for the same reasons listed above.
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Oct 6 2012 04:39pm
Unless items have a set value, all price guides price checks or whatever you'd like to refer to is an opinion regardless.

Guides generally are out of date before they're complete.

This post was edited by eekzie on Oct 6 2012 04:40pm
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Quote (Kafir @ 6 Oct 2012 22:33)
The way the system works right now is fine.
You have the right to make topics there and ask for opinions.

As the prices are going up and down every weeks, we know that price guides aren't viable at all (except for regular game currency : runes, gold, etc.).
Also, having a ''price check staff'' isn't needed for the same reasons listed above.


So, you think it is fine that people sell their items to akara when they could get 1-3 (maybe even more) out of it?
The price didn't fluctuate this much when we had a price guide instead of this new price-check section.

You say it works fine, but you also say it doesn't work fine. You said: Prices going up and down every week. This is because of the price check system...
Better having a list of "Approved price checkers" So you know who you can trust. And who only posts rubbish.

Quote (eekzie @ 6 Oct 2012 22:39)
Unless items have a set value, all price guides price checks or whatever you'd like to refer to is an opinion regardless.

I'm not talking about a Price guide for beginning of ladders!
I am talking about a price guide that tells you somewhat what you can expect from the items in the end of the ladder.

More or less: Just copy, paste the nl price guides and mention in top that "This is a guide for nl items, the items are worth more in ladder" - ?
Or something. Then you'll have a slight knowledge of what the items are worth.


This post was edited by Stuk3hu on Oct 6 2012 04:42pm
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Oct 6 2012 04:41pm
Quote (Stuk3hu @ 7 Oct 2012 00:40)
So, you think it is fine that people sell their items to akara when they could get 1-3 (maybe even more) out of it?
The price didn't fluctuate this much when we had a price guide instead of this new price-check section.

You say it works fine, but you also say it doesn't work fine. You said: Prices going up and down every week. This is because of the price check system...
Better having a list of "Approved price checkers" So you know who you can trust. And who only posts rubbish.


Yes, it's fine.

Prices going up and down has nothing to do with the price check system.

And a price check by an approved price checker can be rubbish as well, it's no guarantee.
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Quote (eekzie @ 6 Oct 2012 22:41)
Yes, it's fine.

Prices going up and down has nothing to do with the price check system.

And a price check by an approved price checker can be rubbish as well, it's no guarantee.

You also think it is fine that people sell their items to akara when they could get 1-3 (maybe even more) out of it?
Even when they really want to earn fg?

And if the fluctuating of prices has nothing to do with the price check system, Then tell me:
Why didn't the prices fluctuate this much before the new price-check section came?
And how come Noone knows prices anymore?

Oh and: How do you prevent people to post rubbish in your price check topics? (Things like "Akara").
If the item is worth 1 fg, they should say "1 fg" not "akara"...

No, but a pricechecekr who knows the usual worth, it is more trustworthy. And of course you can sell your item for whatever you want after the price check.
Price check is only to guide you to a price. but with so many "Akara-randoms" out there, this is impossible.

Quote (eekzie @ 6 Oct 2012 22:46)
If an item is clearly worth something, and someone tells you it's worthless their post is spam.
But then again, you should ask yourself. What is a price check? It's in the name. Price check. Check the price. Not a price determination.

You, as many others, value the price checks too much.
Now there's your real problem.


Please read everything instad of 2 lines and then reply.

My problem is that: Alot of the 2012-/Many of the 2011-users sell their 1-3 fg items to akara because the price check topics are overflooded with randoms spamming "akara".
I am valuing the price check too much. I told you:
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Old Price guide topic was MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the current price check system -_-
I also said:
"Akara-randoms" makes people sell their items to akara when the item is worth 0.01fg+
"Price check" means, Check what the item is worth.

"Price guide topic" Works much better, because noone will have to even see those "Akara-randoms".

This post was edited by Stuk3hu on Oct 6 2012 04:52pm
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Quote (Stuk3hu @ 7 Oct 2012 00:42)
Then tell me:
Why didn't the prices fluctuate this much before the new price-check section came?
And how come Noone knows prices anymore?

Oh and: How do you prevent people to post ruccish in your price check topics? (Things like "Akara").


If an item is clearly worth something, and someone tells you it's worthless their post is spam.
But then again, you should ask yourself. What is a price check? It's in the name. Price check. Check the price. Not a price determination.

You, as many others, value the price checks too much.
Now there's your real problem.

As far as the fluctuations. It's mostly determined by how badly a person wants something at a certain time.
If someone wants something bad and they want it now they don't mind paying that measily extra gold to save themselve time.

This post was edited by eekzie on Oct 6 2012 04:48pm
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Oct 6 2012 04:58pm
Ok let me write this with huge letter so you might catch it:

The prices didn't fluctuate this much when we had the old "price guide topic".
The prices began fluctuate like crazy after the new "Price check section" came.

So, how else would we stop this fluctuating, and how are we gonna get experienced price checkers with so much akara and 1-2 fg spam?
If everyone can just post what they want, it is meaningless with the Price check section. Noone will ever know the Average Price.

So tell me, how else are we gonna stop the prices from fluctuate this much?
(And of course, before you leave a comment I'd like you to read)

And noone seems to care about that the "akara-spammers" makes people eagerly to earn fg sell their item to akara because they thought the item wasn't worth anything.
Because the topics were filled with "akara".

So yeah, I can agree that ppl need to stop listen to these folks spamming "akara".
But it happened alot of times where I have pm'ed someone with a price check topic, asked if he had a price yet. But he allready sold it to akara because 3 ppl said "akara"....

This post was edited by Stuk3hu on Oct 6 2012 05:00pm
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Oct 6 2012 05:35pm
I say Charsi. Akara is too old to hold all those items.
We need a strong male woman thing to hold the items.







jk, I always say it may be a few fg, but nothing major (Unless it is absolutely useless, in which I do say Charsi)
And some one posting their opinion isn't spam.
If it serves THEM no purpose in what they need/want, it is charsiable to them.
While another person may want it and would be willing to pay some fg for it.
It just comes down to who wants/needs it and who does not.
So It's fine the way it is.
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