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Quote (tyrson @ Dec 31 2011 10:06pm)
This.  Not that I have a lot of sympathy for scammers (though some of them are indeed victims of keyloggers, etc., sharing net, etc.).  I do think systems like that would make it easier on the mods.

Although that system does not work for trades not involving FG (e.g. game items for service, etc.).


I know it's not ideal but for trades between jsp users that have nothing to do with jsp itself they could just say "trade at your own risk." Or just use the general value of what that service is worth. Like obviously you wouldn't get locked for a 1000fg scam if you were rushed for your forge and left after act 3. Or maybe it's just one constant locked time punishment for any value of scam.
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It's not like you are getting locked randomly, you are getting locked, because there is evidence against you (look at s/a) and therefore there is no need for an additional notification in my opinion.
Getting the scammer tag can be done in a moment, but deserving to be unlocked needs dedication and repentance leading to conversion.
Also there shouldn't be some kind of "If you scam 1 - 100fg you will be locked for 3 months.", because a scam is a scam and it doesn't get better even though the amount is "only" 1 fg for example.
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It's not like you are getting locked randomly, you are getting locked, because there is evidence against you (look at s/a) and therefore there is no need for an additional notification in my opinion.
Getting the scammer tag can be done in a moment, but deserving to be unlocked needs dedication and repentance leading to conversion.
Also there shouldn't be some kind of "If you scam 1 - 100fg you will be locked for 3 months.", because a scam is a scam and it doesn't get better even though the amount is "only" 1 fg for example.


It's a simply matter of common courtesy really. The more respect you treat scammers with the more scammers will actually repay.
Whether or not getting unlocked should require repentance seems to be a matter of opinion. The way I see it, if they repay they repay, it shouldn't matter if they are actually sorry. I mean, jsp is a business, not a religion or something.
Then why is there a difference between petty theft and grand larceny?
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It's a simply matter of common courtesy really.  The more respect you treat scammers with the more scammers will actually repay.
Whether or not getting unlocked should require repentance seems to be a matter of opinion.  The way I see it, if they repay they repay, it shouldn't matter if they are actually sorry.  I mean, jsp is a business, not a religion or something.
Then why is there a difference between petty theft and grand larceny?


If you scam, you aren't getting unlocked overnight. Our process is extensive and tedious and works great. The fact of the matter is, you scammed and need to go through the entire process. Its all part of it. You don't know how the system works and we don't really expect you to. I will say the system works fine though.

Every situation is different, no two are the same

This post was edited by Legacy843 on Jan 3 2012 08:58pm
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If you scam, you aren't getting unlocked overnight.  Our process is extensive and tedious and works great.  The fact of the matter is,  you scammed and need to go through the entire process.  Its all part of it.  You don't know how the system works and we don't really expect you to.  I will say the system works fine though.

Every situation is different, no two are the same


Oh, well since you say it works fine...

I'm not saying people should get unlocked overnight, but I don't think people who are locked should have to post sunshine and flowers when they already payed back their scams. And I certainly don't think they should be kept in the dark about their own unlocking process.
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Oh, well since you say it works fine...

I'm not saying people should get unlocked overnight, but I don't think people who are locked should have to post sunshine and flowers when they already payed back their scams.  And I certainly don't think they should be kept in the dark about their own unlocking process.


Repaying is just the first step. If we unlocked people directly after they re payed there would be many more scammers thinking the system is a joke and not serious.

They aren't kept in the dark either. You/others aren't the only cases being handled. There are many others. You need patience is all.
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Jan 3 2012 09:41pm
Having the punishment fit the crime and deterring crime is interesting from a social-political perspective.

But maybe Legacy was right when he (presuming he's a guy) said that each one is different. I mean when I was just starting, getting scammed for 10fg would have been a huge deal playing non ladder where that could buy the runes for an enigma and might not come back. Getting scammed is a sad affair.

And what you said Sam might be true about them repaying. I was scammed out of 70fg for a rune a few years back (early ladder :) ), and was paid back over time. I'd glad I got paid back, but I guess no one expects to get paid back.

Frankly they should probably have to pay back interest too.

It's actually nice to not see so many threads in S/A (besides the usual perm-as-unperm stuff you see from people who bought duped gear). Seems like the community itself has matured.
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People don't get locked for "simple misunderstadings", if you got locked its because there is more than enough proofs that you scammed.
The unlock process is the way it is for a reason, IF the only issue was to repay people would scam and as soon as they got locked they would repay and be "free", that would only encourage to scam.

Everyone that gets locked mostly like KNOWS why they are locked if they don't just by posting in the why am i locked ? forum will give them the answer.

If you want to make a suggestion please make a poll but keep i mind the points you made are not something that needs a change for now ( refer to my answer )
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