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Mar 16 2010 02:31am
Quote (HardyTarget @ Mar 16 2010 02:25am)
Nothing's going to change as long as moderators aren't getting paid.
No one's going to follow a strict system and spend all their free time doing so.

People just need to stop being dumb and use mediators in their trades, otherwise there's no room for whining.


While I do agree with this, it still will not solve the problems. If everyone used a mediator for EVERY trade, we'd be waiting hours just to get a mediator for a trade. How do you fix that? Get more mediators.

However, there is still going to be scamming, hence the reason there is need to improve it.

What's so strict about the system? If you actually read my post, it boils down to getting more people to do the S/A accusations.
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Mar 16 2010 02:32am
I would love to see several areas of the forum get sharpened up. but every time anything is suggested, its always the same reply: 'we're doing just fine, thank you very much'

Vote yes but nothing will change :(
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Mar 16 2010 02:38am
Quote (Cloudfire @ Mar 16 2010 02:32am)
I would love to see several areas of the forum get sharpened up. but every time anything is suggested, its always the same reply: 'we're doing just fine, thank you very much'

Vote yes but nothing will change :(


Unfortunately, this is the case.

Can we get some moderators to shed some light here on this suggestion please?
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Mar 16 2010 02:46am
Quote (Morgue @ 16 Mar 2010 10:31)
While I do agree with this, it still will not solve the problems. If everyone used a mediator for EVERY trade, we'd be waiting hours just to get a mediator for a trade. How do you fix that? Get more mediators.

However, there is still going to be scamming, hence the reason there is need to improve it.

What's so strict about the system? If you actually read my post, it boils down to getting more people to do the S/A accusations.


There will always be scamming.
There's no system to prevent people from being dumb and trusting random people.

Of course a better system is always cool to have but the site has been around for years so I'm pretty sure things would've changed by now.

Ladder Slasher trading system is a good example of how scamming is eliminated.
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Mar 16 2010 02:57am
for your theory to work, SA mods would have to completely give up their real life and better yet not even sleep to finish this job in 72 hours? Look how many users are being scammed daily, there is no way all new topics can be reviewed in 72 hours.
SA helpers put the information together, the mods, to decide have to still go through every detail of each accusation. i'm sure they are doing a hell of a job to help.
i suggest, users start using mediators for their trades, that would have saved you from even opening this topic. JSP offers mediators, why dont we all just use them :)

This post was edited by Jussy on Mar 16 2010 03:00am
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Mar 16 2010 03:02am
Quote (Morgue @ Mar 16 2010 02:31am)
While I do agree with this, it still will not solve the problems. If everyone used a mediator for EVERY trade, we'd be waiting hours just to get a mediator for a trade. How do you fix that? Get more mediators.

However, there is still going to be scamming, hence the reason there is need to improve it.

What's so strict about the system? If you actually read my post, it boils down to getting more people to do the S/A accusations.


that is what i got out of this and i dont think it will be changed due to the fact that its hard to find honest people. But there are a lot of people out there in my eyes that would belong on the team but they arn't if ppl do what is required to be seem as worthy of a medi then maybe in time they get it.
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Mar 16 2010 03:10am
Quote (Jussy @ Mar 16 2010 02:57am)
for your theory to work, SA mods would have to completely give up their real life and better yet not even sleep to finish this job in 72 hours? Look how many users are being scammed daily, there is no way all new topics can be reviewed in 72 hours.
SA helpers put the information together, the mods, to decide have to still go through every detail of each accusation. i'm sure they are doing a hell of a job to help.
i suggest, users start using mediators for their trades, that would have saved you from even opening this topic. JSP offers mediators, why dont we all just use them :)


Again, I think my point is being missed.

Let me put it in caps.

GET MORE PEOPLE TO REVIEW THE ACCUSATIONS.

Know what the does? It put's less load on the shoulders of everyone.

As for using mediators, my response to that is above.

I think it would be quite interesting to actually see what a Mod does to review a accusation to see how far off I actually have it pictured in my head.



Just so you don't think I'm some random talking out my ass, I will share with you my history on dealing with stuff like this.
I was a Admin for a counter-strike league by the name of CEVO (I'm sure some of you are aware of it). Reviewing cases about cheaters is a daily process. Now let me shed some light on what happens. We are required to watch both halves IN FULL of the match. Each half can take anywhere from 30-45 minutes, depending the match. Yes, you can speed up the replay a bit, but it still takes a good hour to review everything and then another 15-20 minutes to do a write-up on it for the senior admins. That is putting it at an hour per case, and that's if you are fast.

Looking through the S/A section here.. it's quite simple to make the judgement. Does the evidence show guilt? If so, slap the tag on 'em. If there isn't enough evidence, close the thread and move to the next one.

With that said, I go back to my previous statement. I'd like to see what a Mod actually does to review each case, and why it takes several weeks or more to review something which appears so simple.
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Mar 16 2010 03:12am
some of yoru secret suggestions are going abit over board.

keep in mind, Sabine from my knowledge has retired, yet still helps out frequently. she doesnt a very good job.

I dissagree with giving someone a temp bann while being accused for a scam, because if a user simply disslikes another, he can make a faulse accusation and get this user a temp bann.
This will not only make many users upset on d2jsp, but this will be bad for Njaguars market. "That is why the current system is put into place the way it is"
(if thats what you mean anyway)


If you downloaded a programme of any kind on your computer and get a virus, then you took that risk, it is the same as using a mediator, you will allways be at risk of getting scammed without the mediator!

Safety is just a couple of clicks away ;)

This post was edited by Ouija on Mar 16 2010 03:12am
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Quote (xXxNeCroSiSxXx @ Mar 16 2010 03:02am)
that is what i got out of this and i dont think it will be changed due to the fact that its hard to find honest people. But there are a lot of people out there in my eyes that would belong on the team but they arn't if ppl do what is required to be seem as worthy of a medi then maybe in time they get it.


Hard to find honest people? There is THOUSANDS of users on this site. There is plenty of users who have been around for years, who are straight shooters in the community. Build your staff, weed out the bad apples, and go from there.
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