I have nothing against the current system but that doesn't mean I'm for it, if I was for it I wouldn't have so many transfers I've done for people & my previous services.

Lately the uber's I see are being hosted by people using a program that automates key-strokes and does everything for them. Again it was allowed before and the user's decided to ruin it.

This post was edited by BkK on Jul 12 2009 06:08am

People are allowed to host ubers as long as they post in someone Else's topic, but it can be disastrous when they post their own topic? How?

Your second phrase makes my argument even more valid. The ubers now are even more reliable than they used to be, thus we are seeing an increase in satisfied customers even from people who are not trusted.

How have the users ruined it? Forgive me for not knowing, I wasn't on jsp back then, I was just a lowly pub . The service is allowed even without a trusted tag, why shouldn't they be able to post a topic?

The site is limiting the rights of the ordinary jsp member and creating a gap in wealth by allowing only trusteds to make their own topics.

This post was edited by celestial1 on Jul 12 2009 06:18am

The site doesn't support hacks, if all of the g-uber hosts are going to hack now then that would give the site a reason to warn people for offering any service with a hack if they wanted to start controlling user's. How is someone that is AFK while their game plays itself going to prove what happened when they get back and see their characters dead and idling in the chat lobby? You make it sound like the only means of profiting on this site is by being allowed to make your own service threads which isn't true

They ruined it because they used to be allowed to make service threads

This post was edited by BkK on Jul 12 2009 06:21am

The site turns a "blind eye" towards hacks. This is most CERTAINLY true, otherwise we'd see instead of threads being closed, users being banned for offering hacked services (Grush w/ mhack, Crush with mh, ubers with bots, botted baal runs here etc.). This is evident in nearly ALL if not ALL Trusted offering botted ubers. This just goes to show you how much the site favors Trusted.



How is this valid towards the argument at hand? The site already says it's AT YOUR OWN RISK. If people get screwed over then they shouldn't have gone aboard the uber wagon lead by someone without trusted tag. But in all seriousness how does this make my argument any weaker towards being able to post topics?


Ah, but this is where I made my point before. It isn't the only means, but the majority of people SELLING things are MAKING their own threads. If the site is going to limit who can make threads and who can't, then you are restricting the potential profit a person can make in a certain time.

Obviously someone can wait for topics "Iso GUBERS nao!", but that takes a lot more time getting leechers considering you have to compete within the thread with other people offering the service. Whereas if you're making your own thread then you do not have to compete, and people that are posting in it are your customers.



How does that even effect ANYTHING? They ruined services because they made threads? That is complete BS.

This post was edited by celestial1 on Jul 12 2009 06:40am

They ruined them by everyone deciding to scam non-stop then spam "this user is a scammer" threads If everyone was so aware of the fact that they are At Your Own Risk then why are do they spam non-stop about being scammed then expect the scammer to be punished?

Then the problem isn't the threads themselves it's the emphasis on that when they pay they are doing so AT THEIR OWN RISK. The mods shouldn't be so caring and lenient when they are spamming the s/a thread. Consider it as spam. Warn the users.

This post was edited by celestial1 on Jul 12 2009 07:04am

Then that would just go back to user's being punished for making service threads which just ends up where we are now but with more warns?

Again that it's at the user's risk. Spam should not be tolerated.

Where are we at but with more warns? How about lowering price of ubers due to competition. This will inevitably make ubers more affordable for people, and more people without trusted tags would be profiting from ubers.

Eventually people who's uber games are bad or poor, will have people "anti-vouching" thus ending their career as an uber-host.

This post was edited by celestial1 on Jul 12 2009 07:09am

The user's hosting the service threads without a tag would be contributing to the spam flooding the SA section then shouldn't they be punished also because they're contributing to the what would be spam threads in the SA section? People are greedy lowering prices isn't a likely thing anyone is going to do. Some people already do "anti-vouch" certain people on their poor service quality, it takes some time though for it to be widely known and when it is the person sometimes just ends up making/buying another account.

I withdraw my point. Well done.

Then the problem is that not enough trusted tags are being given when they are deserved.

This post was edited by celestial1 on Jul 12 2009 07:19am