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Dec 31 2011 11:49am
I was locked for almost 2 years and was locked for 10 months after I repaid my scams. If it matters at all, I didn't scam anyone, I was keylogged. But that's a completely separate issue. This post has nothing to do with how/why people get locked in the first place, just what happens after that.

Note: I refer to people with locked tags as scammers, even though I am aware people do get locked for simple misunderstands. Please do not take offense.

For starters, people aren't (unless things have changed) notified when/why they get locked. The way you find out you are locked is you log in one day and your gold is locked. Then you have to make a thread in the "Why am I locked" subforum and wait for a mod to pm you and tell you why you are locked. Although this is really small, I think telling people how/why they are locked from the start is good. In the US legal system you have to be told why you are under arrest. Imagine if you just woke up in jail one day and you have absolutely no idea why. It would certainly be terrifying.

But the main thing I want to address is how there is pretty much no structure to the unlocking process. Every month you are required to "check in" with your repay mediator. And basically all that happens is for 6+ months (if you are lucky) you wait a month for the mediator to say "Thanks for checking in. Do it again in 30 days." I think the whole site would thoroughly benefit from having everything more black and white. For example, something like

If you scam 1 - 100fg you will be locked for 3 months. A temporary suspension increases locked time by 2 weeks. A warn increases locked time by 1 month.
If you scam 101-500 fg you will be locked for 6 months. A temporary suspension increases locked time by 2 weeks. A warn increases locked time by 1 month.
If you scam 501-1000 fg you will be locked for 9 months. A temporary suspension increases locked time by 3 weeks. A warn increases locked time by 2 months.

In pretty much every legal system in the civilized world, crimes have set punishments. They say "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" but on jsp you have no idea what the time is. I'm not sure if mods are just hoping that scares people out of scamming but in all honesty it probably prevents just as many if not more people from not repaying their scams. Not to mention a structured system is simply more fair and transparent.

It's really easy to say "they are scammers, they don't deserve fairness." But you have to look at the attitude this creates. When everyone on the site treats people with locked tags as less than people then they aren't going to want to repay their scams. It's an age old issue of punishment vs. reforming. Would you rather punish someone who scams creating someone with negative feelings toward this site and its users or change them into someone who won't scam? Keep in mind when reforming you are still punishing them in the process, you are just doing so in a clear and fair manner.

Also, I think locked users and 70% warn+ users should be allowed to edit posts. Most of the time a post edit is to simple correct a grammar mistake or add clarity to prevent an extra post.

Some other guff:

I think it would be nice if you could search for something in the trade forums specifically under one of the quick filters and in a ft or iso tab. Like if you could search for "zod" in "runes" under "ft." Would make things a bit easier.
I also think it would be nice if you could close threads you create. Just as a way to prevent people from posting in a thread that's no longer relevant, like maybe you posted an iso trade thread and already got the item, so you want to close thread.



That's all that comes to mind at the moment... cheers.
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Dec 31 2011 01:22pm
I think it works fine as it is now.

Myself, I got unlocked in 4 months. You simply need to show the moderator team that you have changed and you deserve to get your tag removed again.
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Dec 31 2011 01:29pm
Quote (Sirax @ Dec 31 2011 02:22pm)
I think it works fine as it is now.

Myself, I got unlocked in 4 months. You simply need to show the moderator team that you have changed and you deserve to get your tag removed again.


One story with a happy ending does not dictate a flawless process.
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Dec 31 2011 01:34pm
Quote (Mastersam93 @ 31 Dec 2011 14:29)
One story with a happy ending does not dictate a flawless process.


The system works flawlessly. If you scam you should be happy that jsp even gives you the option to get unlocked.
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Dec 31 2011 01:37pm
Quote (Jere @ Dec 31 2011 02:34pm)
The system works flawlessly.  If you scam you should be happy that jsp even gives you the option to get unlocked.


In a perfect world only those who scam would be locked. And are you suggestion every theif/criminal should just be kicked out of society?
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Dec 31 2011 01:38pm
Account security is your responsibility.

The way you act affects how long locked time lasts.
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Dec 31 2011 01:41pm
Quote (Manevolent @ Dec 31 2011 02:38pm)
Account security is your responsibility.

The way you act affects how long locked time lasts.


Not in any sort of clearly defined manner.
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Dec 31 2011 01:43pm
Would vote yes. There would be a lot less bitching that people don't know what's going on, and therefore less spam/flaming and more time for moderators to do their jobs in other sections. The current system seems to incite more anger
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Dec 31 2011 01:46pm
Quote (bigbrd222 @ Dec 31 2011 02:43pm)
Would vote yes. There would be a lot less bitching that people don't know what's going on, and therefore less spam/flaming and more time for moderators to do their jobs in other sections. The current system seems to incite more anger


Exactly. If you got caught shoplifting and the cop said "alright now, we're going to throw you in jail until you've learned your lesson," you would probably be pretty pissed.
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Dec 31 2011 09:06pm
Quote (bigbrd222 @ Dec 31 2011 02:43pm)
Would vote yes. There would be a lot less bitching that people don't know what's going on, and therefore less spam/flaming and more time for moderators to do their jobs in other sections. The current system seems to incite more anger



This. Not that I have a lot of sympathy for scammers (though some of them are indeed victims of keyloggers, etc., sharing net, etc.). I do think systems like that would make it easier on the mods.

Although that system does not work for trades not involving FG (e.g. game items for service, etc.).
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