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Sep 19 2009 01:43am
its been up since march, is the us economy really recovering? I have over 50k riding on BAC alone.

anyone short FAZ and made big money?
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Sep 19 2009 02:22am
i don't have the cash to play, but I was just looking at the stock ticker for the last six months and thinking that this recovery thing may well be correct. Things are looking fucking great out there. Unemployment will spring back in fairly short order if it's actually true, and the world will be a bright, sunshiny place again.
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Sep 19 2009 02:28am
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Fri, Sep 18 2009, 10:22pm)
and the world will be a bright, sunshiny place again.


What a wonderful thought.
People will stop worrying about their financials and get back to worrying about minorities, the Middle East, and the newest iPods!
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Sep 19 2009 02:31am
Quote (Katey @ Sat, 19 Sep 2009, 01:28)
What a wonderful thought.
People will stop worrying about their financials and get back to worrying about minorities, the Middle East, and the newest iPods!


don't be silly

no one ever worries about minorities.
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Sep 19 2009 02:34am
i guess my questions is how is employment going on in the United States? i would ask the people at yahoo forums but everyone has an agenda their.
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This post was edited by Katey on Sep 19 2009 02:35am
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i guess my questions is how is employment going on in the United States? i would ask the people at yahoo forums but everyone has an agenda their.


There was a pretty good analysis of this posted by jjarv not too long ago in PaRD, I'll see if I can find the thread for you. I think his argument was something along the lines of the fact that a shift to a service economy was causing differences in four types of unemployment, and said that when measured with the correct metric, it wasn't nearly as bad and runaway as it might have seemed.
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Here's jjarv's post:

Quote (jjarv @ Tue, 15 Sep 2009, 11:19)
Yeah, expect that Bernake said the recession is about over and he's not part of the administration. He's simply an expert.

Good rant though, in lue of the facts it almost sounded convincing.



Quick lesson on unemployment

There are 4 types of unemployment

Structural
Frictional
Seasonal
cyclical

Frictional and Seasonal unemployment are constant and harmless. The other two types of unemployment are the problems.

Structural unemployment is a type of unemployment where there are either no jobs avaliable for people or the jobs which are avaliable require skill sets which the structurally unemployed don't possess. This is the basis for our unemployment levels in any economy.

Cyclical unemployment is unemployment related to the health of the economy. It is the reason why our unemployment rate has doubled.

Now, having understood this, you can hopefully see why using cyclical unemployment to rationalize an increase in structural unemployment isn't valid. We've been transitioning to a service based economy for the better part of half a century. In order to measure the levels of structural unemployment, you have to take account of economic indicators when the economy is stable. To this end, unemployment has been relatively stable.

In short, industry jobs being outsourced does not equal higher unemployment as much as it equals lower paying job for the people who previously had the factory jobs, and your forecast of 10% unemployment for the next 10 years is an absolutely laughable prediction.


From this bullshit thread:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=35249551&f=119
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