tbh owning a home in most places isnt really hard to do even on a moderate budget. and in any case for most people they're better off renting, something breaks boom it gets fixed not on their dime.

Opportunity cost is real, doesn't matter what your beliefs are. Many people don't go to graduate school and choose work precisely because there's a cost. If you believe that higher education should be free then you should accept the notion that those benefits should also be dispersed meaning, doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc making what the plebs make.

Do you think if college was free less or more people would go? Your proposal would result in even a larger labor pool of overly educated people fighting for fewer jobs. Maybe look around? Were facing a shortage of plumbers, electricians, welders, etc not a shortage of people holding bachelors or associates in non stem fields.



So the answer is to subsidize this money laundering scheme for everyone?

That's why i pay insurance.

insurance for a broken fridge? a water leak in your washing machine line? an element that goes out on the stove?

also u have to mow, landscape, and shovel snow off your own property. etc.

owning a home is for privacy, not financial gain. you're better off renting out a house you own to others and living in a rental. i agree renting is a bit predatory, but disagree owning a home is a good thing anyways for most people.

no how about control the money gouging.. They are like the healthcare system as they WAAY overcharge for their services.
Then the loans are non escapable interest rate traps.
its a great combination

Making higher education free will result in even more people wanting to obtain it. This means higher demand for education, meaning schools can charge more for their services since there are limited seats and and now there's higher demand. There's a reason why costs have gone up a bunch since more and more people are encouraged to go to college because they can get gov't loans.

If you want cheaper education, you don't eliminate the cost to the individual, that will actually result in exploding enrollment with these institutions being able to charge whatever they want since gov't is covering it.

I have no issues with government partially subsidizing some masters/phd programs in STEM fields, i think that would actually be a good idea since there's a shortage for those professionals. But it makes no sense to subsidize it for non-stem undergrad considering there is already a glut of those types of people. Like i said we need more people going into the trades not getting sociology and psychology degrees.

I never said make it free.. I said control the price gouging.
I'm in the trades.. I make a really good wage in my opinion.. BUT that is not the norm as most trades are undervalued and make shit.. Most tradesmen work for companies that do shady 1099 practices for their work, class them as sub tier contractors and the employee ends up owing taxes on low wages.. Only way that really gets avoided is unions and I doubt you are a union supporter so for all your great ideas just to "let it stop" How??? again there is not enough control to stop the richer guys from robbing the poor. It's systemic and we are economically SO far right its out of whack. (50's tax bracket top 3 were taxed at 90%) I do agree with the ridiculous subject matter that people choose sometimes.. There is no living wages in a lot of the fields these people pick unless they are the .25 of 1%


This post was edited by theCrossbones on Apr 16 2020 08:53am

Somehow every other industrialized country is doing just fine

Youre making a bunch of claims that are easily debunked by just having a basic knowledge of how education works in basically all of Europe. Germany is the most productive in the world and (according to the German post doc I work with) they only have to pay a few hundred euros a semester.

It makes it really ironic that you then say I have a broken view of reality.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 16 2020 10:10am

zero assault weapons, legal pot, and low body fat.

nty.

And in those same countries those skilled professions make no where close to what skilled professions make in the US. Like i said, you want free college? great, hope you're happy making 50% less.

Just as an example from a quick google search

Average wage for a doctor in Europe 100k

Average wage for a doctor in the US 290k

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 16 2020 10:18am