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Apr 7 2020 10:05am
I unfortunately got into stocks late in my life, as in, last year. Planning for retirement now as best I can. Putting most of my money in a 2050 freedom index and also some SPY with a little bit of silver for fun.

Still learning really and hopefully I am on the right track. So much wasted time!
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Apr 7 2020 10:30am
Bought SPY, DIS and AAPLE puts
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Apr 7 2020 12:15pm
Stock markets did well today because curves are flattening in major countries.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 7 2020 03:14pm)
Reports say that 40% of small businesses are at a serious risk of permanent closure.

Stock market is going up.

We've been in crazy world since probably 2000 or 2008. Stock market indexes have become totally irrelevant to judging the actual state of the economy. What's the name of the effect where once you start prioritizing a metric it stops being a good indicator?


Not true. The stock market generally follows earnings growth/contractions. I also think there is more to go down, but the stock market is still down significantly compared to a few months ago.
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Apr 7 2020 01:57pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 7 2020 09:14am)
Reports say that 40% of small businesses are at a serious risk of permanent closure.

Stock market is going up.

We've been in crazy world since probably 2000 or 2008. Stock market indexes have become totally irrelevant to judging the actual state of the economy. What's the name of the effect where once you start prioritizing a metric it stops being a good indicator?


in the same short term window where stock market indexes are ineffective so are literally every metric.

the more reasonable takeaway is that the stock market, and economy by proxy, run more on hopes, dreams, and expectations than real projections of objective data. for every projected increase in raw materials due to some foreign crisis there's 10 "tRuMp gOnNa dO rEaL gOoD" movements.
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Apr 7 2020 04:51pm
Fed gonna pump the shit out of this on Thursday I have a feeling. “Oil deal” will win over the job reports

Exiting puts tomorrow
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Quote (Bazi @ Apr 7 2020 06:51pm)
Fed gonna pump the shit out of this on Thursday I have a feeling. “Oil deal” will win over the job reports

Exiting puts tomorrow


I closed all of mine EOD. Honestly options you could get destroyed so fast that i will take a 10% scalp after 2 hours and sell at end of day instead of holding overnight where there could be headline risk and wake up 15% in the hole even if your strategy is right medium term.

Yeah half of the time you will leave really good money on the table but safety is important in such volatile times.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 7 2020 05:33pm
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 7 2020 06:30pm)
I closed all of mine EOD. Honestly options you could get destroyed so fast that i will take a 10% scalp after 2 hours and sell at end of day instead of holding overnight where there could be headline risk and wake up 15% in the hole even if your strategy is right medium term.

Yeah half of the time you will leave really good money on the table but safety is important in such volatile times.


Yep with u 100% man

Pray for me lmao

Best case for me is tomorrow we gap down and I can exit puts and go long to 280s
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Apr 8 2020 06:05am
/r/wsb got taken private.

Apparently some real shady shit going on with the mods.
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Apr 8 2020 01:31pm
Reopened my SPY put. As of now the S&P 500 is down only 5% over the last year.

Yet Fitch just downgraded the economic outlook to this:

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At the time it compiled its March outlook, only Spain and Italy had joined China in implementing full lockdowns, but “we now have to incorporate full-scale lockdowns across Europe and the US (and many other countries) in our baseline forecasts,” said Fitch, which now assumes lockdowns could reduce GDP in the EU and US by 7% to 8% respectively during the second quarter of 2020. Fitch said this would be “an unprecedented peacetime one-quarter fall in GDP,” and is similar to what it now estimates happened in China during the first quarter of this year.

The new core assumptions used in Fitch’s calculations include a two- to three-month lockdown in key economies with a five- to six-week period of peak movement restrictions. It said this would result in a rapid and significant deterioration in the labor market and a sharp reduction in personal income with proportionate declines in demand for discretionary goods and services.

Fitch said there should be a “decent sequential recovery in growth” as lockdowns are removed, inventories are rebuilt, and policy stimulus packages take effect. However, this is assuming that the health crisis is mainly under control by the second half of the year, and even then the firm’s baseline does not see GDP rebounding to its pre-virus levels in the US and Europe until late next year.

As gloomy as the new forecast is, things might end up being even worse, according to Brian Coulton, Fitch’s chief economist, who told CIO that “the uncertainties surrounding these forecasts are extremely high and risks are on the downside.” He also said that it’s too late for a worldwide recession to be avoided, adding that “we are already there really. A deep global recession is now Fitch’s base case.”


So they predict we won't reach pre-virus GDP until late 2021, yet we're down less than 5% YOY in US markets? If you though asset prices were expensive 3 months ago, that will look like a bargain when earnings plummet and we're barely trading down.

https://www.ai-cio.com/news/fitch-downgrades-outlook-pandemic-worsens/

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 8 2020 01:36pm
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 8 2020 08:31pm)
Reopened my SPY put. As of now the S&P 500 is down only 5% over the last year.

Yet Fitch just downgraded the economic outlook to this:



So they predict we won't reach pre-virus GDP until late 2021, yet we're down less than 5% YOY in US markets? If you though asset prices were expensive 3 months ago, that will look like a bargain when earnings plummet and we're barely trading down.

https://www.ai-cio.com/news/fitch-downgrades-outlook-pandemic-worsens/


Forget the market for a second, how do you think an individual company is valued by a potential buyer? The (correct) answer to that question should explain why asset prices aren't down as much as you'd expect.
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