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Dec 4 2017 08:23pm
Quote (cialda @ Dec 4 2017 07:17pm)
Not year end expectations, but overall, i think cryptocurrencies are in a bubble. Everyone is trying to get into them, most likely because there are headliner gains be made by some people. It isnt currently a good store for money as they are pretty volatile. Not really used as a currency as most people trade to make money. Obviously this could change.


How long does it take for a market order transaction to go through? and how much of a premium do you have to pay to get priority for trading or is that fee something that changes depending on the demand? I guess im a little curious.


100% agree, it has the characteristics of a true economic bubble, but if big names like Amazon, McDonalds, Facebook, and, Visa get into it, who knows?

Market order transactions vary by currency type and platform used.

For example:

Purchasing @ Coinbase using a cc/debit is instant with higher fee.
Purchasing @ Coinbase using bank account takes 7-10 days, but it locks in the price of the cryptocurrency on the original purchase date (lower fees)
Purchasing @ Bittrex using cryptocurrency -> cryptocurrency is near instant as well (depending on market activity).
Transfering from cryptocurrency platform to cryptocurrency platform (i.e. Bittrex [crypto->crypto platform] to Exodus [desktop software wallet]) is upwards of 2-60 minutes.

This post was edited by Lancet_Jade on Dec 4 2017 08:24pm
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Dec 4 2017 08:28pm
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100% agree, it has the characteristics of a true economic bubble, but if big names like Amazon, McDonalds, Facebook, and, Visa get into it, who knows?


I highly doubt they would accept the cryptos with how volatile they are.

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Market order transactions vary by currency type and platform used.

For example, purchasing @ Coinbase using a cc/debit is instant with higher fee.
Purchasing @ Coinbase using bank account takes 7-10 days, but it locks in the price of the cryptocurrency on the original purchase date.
Purchasing @ Bittrex using cryptocurrency -> cryptocurrency is near instant as well (depending on market activity).
Transfering from cryptocurrency platform to cryptocurrency platform (i.e. Bittrex [crypto->crypto platform] to Exodus [desktop software wallet]) is upwards of 2-60 minutes.


I was just curious seeing as i thought i read that some transactions (i believe regarding btc) took ~ 40 minutes to take place. I assume this had meant matching a buyer with a seller. I was just curious if you would get things such as a flash crash while people are waiting for their trades to go through

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Dec 4 2017 08:32pm
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I highly doubt they would accept the cryptos with how volatile they are.



I was just curious seeing as i read that some transactions (i believe regarding btc) took ~ 40 minutes to take place. I assume this had meant matching a buyer with a seller. I was just curious if you would get things such as a flash crash while people are waiting for their trades to go through


McDonalds:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2017/11/29/bitcoin-odds-on-to-be-accepted-by-mcdonalds-at-end-of-2018-but-could-it-break-20000/

Amazon:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/01/amazon-buys-crypto-domains-bitcoin-ethereum.html

Visa:
https://mona.co/ (cryptocurrency card project backed by Visa)

Facebook:
Similar to Visa, they are backing a cryptocurrency coin, forgot which one.

Overstock: (currently accepting)
https://www.overstock.com/bitcoin

Compare Overstock chart to BTC, interesting eh?
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NASDAQ-OSTK/

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I highly doubt they would accept the cryptos with how volatile they are.



I was just curious seeing as i thought i read that some transactions (i believe regarding btc) took ~ 40 minutes to take place. I assume this had meant matching a buyer with a seller. I was just curious if you would get things such as a flash crash while people are waiting for their trades to go through


Flash crashed definitely happened ~1-2 weeks ago. Due to the high volume of new traders and publicity of BTC hitting 10k, the platforms were overwhelmed. During the dip almost all trading platforms were unresponsive.
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Cryptocurerncies are digital and cannot be counterfeited or reversed arbitrarily by the sender, as with credit card charge-backs.


But it still have no control over it, so anyone can fool anyone, and have no rights or state protection against fraud. I would rather run the risk of counterfit money than run the risk of not having any rights to anything. Trust breeds trust, but there must be an institution that keeps trustworthy people safe. Not criminal bastards.


Quote (Lancet_Jade @ 3 Dec 2017 20:53)
When you give your credit card to a merchant, you give him or her access to your full credit line, even if the transaction is for a small amount. Credit cards operate on a “pull” basis, where the store initiates the payment and pulls the designated amount from your account. Cryptocurrency use a “push” mechanism that allows the cryptocurrency holder to send exactly what he or she wants to the merchant or recipient with no further information.


^^ Same points as above goes here. Anyone can trick anyone, not send their shit, and get jacked.


Quote (Lancet_Jade @ 3 Dec 2017 20:53)
Access to Everyone: There are approximately 2.2 billion individuals with access to the Internet or mobile phones who don’t currently have access to traditional exchange systems. These individuals are primed for the Crytocurrency market. Kenya’s M-PESA system, a mobile phone-based money transfer and micros financing service recently announced a bitcoin device, with one in three Kenyans now owning a bitcoin wallet


Yeah well, but people need to make themselves worthy of trust. You can't just open everything to everyone, it will be the same as the wild west all over. Capitalism in it's purest form, and it usually leads to lots of fraud and bullshit. "Survival of the fittest". Are we animals or human beings? I would rather have control than no control.


Quote (Lancet_Jade @ 3 Dec 2017 20:53)
Lower Fees: There aren’t usually transaction fees for cryptocurrency exchanges because the miners are compensated by the network (Side note: This is the case for now). Even though there’s no bitcoin/cryptocurrency transaction fee, many expect that most users will engage a third-party service, such as Coinbase, creating and maintaining their own bitcoin wallets. These services act like Paypal does for cash or credit card users, providing the online exchange system for bitcoin, and as such, they’re likely to charge fees. It’s interesting to note that Paypal does not accept or transfer bitcoins.


So now you need a 3rd party service, so you're back to square 1 again. Someone needs to get paid to transfer bitcoin to money and shit like that. So what's the point?


Quote (Lancet_Jade @ 3 Dec 2017 20:53)
Not backed by anything trustworthy? Not improving society? lulz
Is it in a economic bubble? Well yes, it has the exact characteristics of a true economic bubble. Did the great depression or the great recession destroy the stock market? No. Will the cryptocurrency bubble destroy cryptocurrency? No. It's here to stay.


Yeah, exactly, it's based on people that have something to hide and tries to invent the wheel all over, but ending up losing their shit. Just wait and see. The major bitcoin holders will sell everything once people stop buying and it will plunge like a heavy piece of shit in the pool.

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Dec 4 2017 08:38pm
There not enough advantage and too many limitations to use it to buy goods like a regular currency.

Plus watch regulators gut it in the next few years.
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Dec 4 2017 08:42pm
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But it still have no control over it, so anyone can fool anyone, and have no rights or state protection against fraud. I would rather run the risk of counterfit money than run the risk of not having any rights to anything. Trust breeds trust, but there must be an institution that keeps trustworthy people safe. Not criminal bastards.

^^ Same points as above goes here. Anyone can trick anyone, not send their shit, and get jacked.

Yeah well, but people need to make themselves worthy of trust. You can't just open everything to everyone, it will be the same as the wild west all over. Capitalism in it's purest form, and it usually leads to lots of fraud and bullshit. "Survival of the fittest". Are we animals or human beings? I would rather have control than no control.

So now you need a 3rd party service, so you're back to square 1 again. Someone needs to get paid to transfer bitcoin to money and shit like that. So what's the point?

Yeah, exactly, it's based on people that have something to hide and tries to invent the wheel all over, but ending up losing their shit. Just wait and see. The major bitcoin holders will sell everything once people stop buying and it will plunge like a heavy piece of shit in the pool.


Cryptocurrencies cannot be counterfeited or reversed... the only way they can be fooled is if they are scammed, hacked (many ways to prevent this), or stupid.

Quote (SenorNZ @ Dec 4 2017 07:38pm)
There not enough advantage and too many limitations to use it to buy goods like a regular currency.

Plus watch regulators gut it in the next few years.


Not yet, 2017 cryptocurrency is 1994 internet. It needs time to be developed.

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Made it through these 2 articles, the amazon one had mentioned that they just bought the domain names. Could have been for brand protection as they said they are not planning on accepting it.

I could be completely wrong. I just dont see why a major company would take the equivalent of say 1$ in sales which could, quite feasibly, in the next hour change to 0.75$ in sales. Imagine that on a much larger scale and you have a large loss to explain shareholders. Also, you need (as said in the amazon link) demand for companies accepting the currency.


Long term, i think some cryptocurrencies could survive and be useful. It could be a new crypto or it could be one thats currently around. If there is a major crash, ill look at getting into some cryptos then.

This post was edited by cialda on Dec 4 2017 08:48pm
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Made it through these 2 articles, the amazon one had mentioned that they just bought the domain names. Could have been for brand protection as they said they are not planning on accepting it.

I could be completely wrong. I just dont see why a major company would take the equivalent of say 1$ in sales which could, quite feasibly, in the next hour change to 0.75$ in sales. Imagine that on a much larger scale and you have a large loss to explain shareholders. Also, you need (as said in the amazon link) demand for companies accepting the currency.


Long term, i think some cryptocurrencies could survive and be useful. It could be a new crypto or it could be one thats currently around. If there is a major crash, ill look at getting into some cryptos then.


Not if, but when it crashes :)

Long overdue imo, most crypto investors would agree as well. But I don't think it will happen soon. We will see!
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Crypto kittens killing ETH atm lol.
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