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Mar 25 2020 05:30pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 25 2020 12:46am)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k


Stopped watching when I heard 'the fed wants to print money because of deflation'. Deflation is merely the consequence of the thing they're trying to stimulate, which is demand.

Truth be t old I've hated libertarianism ever since I gave Mike Maloney all my money to put in gold
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Mar 25 2020 05:48pm
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Stopped watching when I heard 'the fed wants to print money because of deflation'. Deflation is merely the consequence of the thing they're trying to stimulate, which is demand.

Truth be t old I've hated libertarianism ever since I gave Mike Maloney all my money to put in gold


That video is probably ten years old, and was made to make fun of 'the Ben Bernank.' Seemed kinda fun to dust it off.

Was this at your house? Whoever it was, they must have forgotten to ask if it pleased the crown before making dinner.

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Mar 25 2020 06:21pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 25 2020 11:48pm)
That video is probably ten years old, and was made to make fun of 'the Ben Bernank.' Seemed kinda fun to dust it off.

Was this at your house? Whoever it was, they must have forgotten to ask if it pleased the crown before making dinner.

https://i.imgur.com/nmEDf9x.png


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Mar 25 2020 07:01pm
Quote (Skinned @ Feb 28 2020 08:31pm)
Flu epidemics have caused major losses of world population and killed millions of people every year, the same population of people who are vulnerable to the Corona Virus, or "The Wuhan Flu" which if you Google leads to Corona Virus.

You should really just stop.

The difference now is most developed countries are now geriatric.

Corona virus is a very severe respiratory illness that is a similar species as influenza but that we are less equipped to fight. I'll tell you this time of year sucks at hospitals. I've had so many corona virus trainings now I'm just like don't admit them please. Every time someone coughs *stares*.


it's one word btw... coronavirus

you should really try reading a book or the news
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Mar 26 2020 02:18am
Quote (dro94 @ Mar 26 2020 12:30am)
Stopped watching when I heard 'the fed wants to print money because of deflation'. Deflation is merely the consequence of the thing they're trying to stimulate, which is demand.

Truth be t old I've hated libertarianism ever since I gave Mike Maloney all my money to put in gold


BS. If you invested in gold as a long term investment you'd have done very well. Also: Central banks cannot print gold, why do you think the gold standard was abandoned.

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I had a pretty large position so sold half today at 155 and 171. I knew it would have trouble past 173 since that's Goldman's target price plus i needed to be in more cash.

And yeah i agree, long term this company is still undervalued. They were trading close to 400 pre max issues. The max issues are close to being resolved and they are already looking to bring back production sometime in May if all is well.

If you have a 1-3 year horizon there is no reason for this not to be back in the upper 200s at minimum.

Corner of the market that i'm really considering for a trade is the mREIT space. You have companies like STWD, NRZ - mid cap real estate trusts that got taken to the woodshed and left for dead. People sold these because these are companies that had credit/liquidity risk because if people aren't earning and/or out of work for months then possible rents won't be collected etc. So naturally these companies wouldn't be able to meet their debt obligations. But i think with what the fed is doing now, providing 125 B daily + unemployment going up, i really think some of these are going to rebound Boeing-esque.

Another point to consider is this is the space that gives back very high dividends. As the market calms down, there will be a realization that you're better off buying these types of beaten up reits that have 10%+ dividends trading 1/3 of what they previously were and you might see a lot of capital flow from bonds considering you are getting sub 1% on the 10 yr.



Both of these companies are up like 30% since yesterday. Not sure if i should lock in gains or stick to my thesis. Literally made all my losses back in 3 trades. I still think these are good long term holds, especially when people realize how crap long term bonds are.

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Mar 26 2020 08:12am
Damn....almost 3.3 million new unemployment claims. Not really a surprise, but weird to see the actual numbers.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/821580191/unemployment-claims-expected-to-shatter-records

Edit: Even weirder to see the Dow up over 700 with those kind of jobless claims, but since this has been expected, the losses are probably already baked into prices.

This post was edited by Surfpunk on Mar 26 2020 08:15am
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Mar 26 2020 08:26am
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Damn....almost 3.3 million new unemployment claims. Not really a surprise, but weird to see the actual numbers.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/821580191/unemployment-claims-expected-to-shatter-records

Edit: Even weirder to see the Dow up over 700 with those kind of jobless claims, but since this has been expected, the losses are probably already baked into prices.


dead cat bounce from stimulus hopes and bailout expectations, imo. plus the fall is being mitigated by some seriously strong sectors like big box retailers, nothing major but a shot of whiskey with a broken leg.

will be interesting to see the next 3 months, day to day will be hectic.
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Mar 26 2020 08:28am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 26 2020 10:12am)
Damn....almost 3.3 million new unemployment claims. Not really a surprise, but weird to see the actual numbers.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/821580191/unemployment-claims-expected-to-shatter-records

Edit: Even weirder to see the Dow up over 700 with those kind of jobless claims, but since this has been expected, the losses are probably already baked into prices.


I doubt those are the actual numbers. Trump had the labor department send out a memo telling the states not to release the unemployment numbers. First state to jump on board was Ohio.
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Mar 26 2020 08:30am
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Mar 26 2020 09:28am)
I doubt those are the actual numbers. Trump had the labor department send out a memo telling the states not to release the unemployment numbers. First state to jump on board was Ohio.


Yeah, and that was a really dumb idea. We need to see the data to make informed decisions. I know a LOT of people out of work right now. Hopefully this release will get other states on board with releasing their own data (if they haven't yet).
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