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Mar 12 2020 03:16pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 12 2020 09:59pm)
i didnt realize picking just one factor was an option. id certainly place the lion's share of the blame on the central banks if that is. and i got the impression from your posts if you were to do the same you'd place it on consumers, rather than the fed/banks.

i think honestly we're almost entirely in agreement after reading this post.


I believe central banks are to blame for the financial situation, it's their job to oversee the system after all. However I wish consumers would not fall for the bait. It's sad
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Mar 12 2020 03:20pm
A moment of silence for all the people that pumped money into bitcoin thinking it might end up being a great store of value and protect them from economic crises.

Gold is dropping too...it looks as though investors are flocking to government bonds and aren't quite at the point where they think the world is going to end.
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Mar 12 2020 03:32pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 12 2020 04:16pm)
I believe central banks are to blame for the financial situation, it's their job to oversee the system after all. However I wish consumers would not fall for the bait. It's sad


agree'd. they're the ones who should have known better and misled people with subprime mortgages, massive student loans, etc.
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Mar 12 2020 04:56pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 12 2020 03:49pm)
In a capitalist system the Rich will always push for advantage.


In a socialist system, they will as well. What's your point?
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Mar 12 2020 05:31pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 12 2020 06:56pm)
In a socialist system, they will as well. What's your point?


He hates evil white rich people.

#feelthebern
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Mar 12 2020 05:40pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 12 2020 01:43pm)
Capitalism didn't give us 23 trillion in debt. Petrodollar hegemony after the end of Bretton Woods did.



That's called capitalism. Capitalists capitalizing. Free markets are incompatible with capitalism. Get over your incorrect usage of the term. Capitalists love it when you ignore reality and pretend like they aren't leeches with tanks and bombs.
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Mar 12 2020 05:41pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 12 2020 03:56pm)
In a socialist system, they will as well. What's your point?



This is a Leninist system; distinctly not socialism.
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Mar 12 2020 06:14pm
so, at what point do we bottom out and buy in?

I'd say 90%+ odds that like the previous several crashes/corrections, this bottoms out and then abruptly bounces back a few thousand and then crawls upwards at a 'faster than average, slower than before' pace that would take another year or two to reach the previous high.
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Mar 12 2020 06:21pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 12 2020 05:14pm)
so, at what point do we bottom out and buy in?

I'd say 90%+ odds that like the previous several crashes/corrections, this bottoms out and then abruptly bounces back a few thousand and then crawls upwards at a 'faster than average, slower than before' pace that would take another year or two to reach the previous high.



Just in time for the Alzheimer’s patient to swear in and claim he did it.
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Mar 12 2020 06:22pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 12 2020 04:28pm)
and the chicken came before the egg.

consumers react to bank behavior, which reacts to consumers.

automation caused workers to stop getting raises, and started eggs and chickens all at once.


Automation is only a small part of the problem when it comes to wage stagnation.

A broken labor market is the real culprit - due to totally unchecked globalization, trade deficits funded through financial surplus, and worst of all:

The perpetuation of the lie that throwing money at education is the way to make it good, and that everyone should go to college. This has led to a massive, massive student debt bubble and a generation of citizens who wasted 4 years doing shit they didn’t care about, didn’t truly learn, and who are now basically unskilled laborers with 6 figure debt
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