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Quote (di3tc0ke @ May 2 2022 09:18pm)
Thx bunch!

Would you calc vs cows please?

Cows in Hell: 50% LR
Lvl 12 conv: - 85% LR
3 Facets: +15% Light DMG and - 15% LR

ty :)

P.S. You haven't replied but Enigma is a bad option for Riftsin.



Enigma is the best option for riftsin. By far. It’s not even close.

Teleport > no teleport.

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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 3 2022 11:20am)
Multiply the number by like 2-3. Doesn’t change anything really.


I don't understand how LR works, but this is what I guess.

0% LR = get the whole light dmg

If that's the case, cows get 1-62 = 31.5 avg dmg.

Facet x3 = 31.5 x 1.15 = 36 avg dmg

And still, you have - 50% LR remain.

How to calc 36 dmg with - 50 LR? (like 50% more dmg? If so, it'll be 54 avg dmg)

50 dmg per cow is not bad at all :) And seems not that low how you described.

This post was edited by di3tc0ke on May 2 2022 08:40pm
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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 3 2022 11:23am)
Enigma is the best option for riftsin. By far. It’s not even close.

Teleport > no teleport.


Would you offer your whole set up for Riftsin? I think you end up sacrificing something important in order to get enough IAS, just like I wrote already.

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Quote (di3tc0ke @ May 2 2022 09:35pm)
Would you offer your whole set up for Riftsin? I think you end up sacrificing something important in order to get enough IAS, just like I wrote already.

Ty



Just find rift build. It discusses everything.
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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 3 2022 11:36am)
Just find ^cAntero rift build. It discusses everything.


Can anyone locate that please? I couldn't find it B)
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Quote (di3tc0ke @ May 2 2022 09:30pm)
I don't understand how LR works, but this is what I guess.

0% LR = get the whole light dmg

If that's the case, cows get 1-62 = 31.5 avg dmg.

Facet x3 = 31.5 x 1.15 = 36 avg dmg

And still, you have - 50% LR remain.

How to calc 36 dmg with - 50 LR? (like 50% more dmg? If so, it'll be 54 avg dmg)

50 dmg per cow is not bad at all :)



You are correct.

But it only has an 8% proc rate. So we are taking average damage. Therefore you have to Multply the damage by the chance it has to actually go off.

Even if you assume a 100% proc rate, cows are going to have around 10k life depending on if player 1 or player 8.

50 damage out of 10,000 damage needed to kill a monster is nothing. You would need the chain lightning to hit the monster 200 times for it to kill one.


But also you hve to consider I’d that 50 damage actually impacts the monster dying in 1 less hot than it already would.

Let’s use an easy example to illustrate this.

Let’s assume you are fighting a monster that has 10,000 life. Your skill does 5001 damage. Meaning it takes 2 of your skills to kill the monster. Now let’s say you increase your skill damage to 6000. It still takes 2 skills to kill the monster. While you Increased your damage, you didn’t affect your kill speed at all. Because it still takes 2 skills to kill the monster.

Given how low the damage of the chain lightning is in comparison to the maximum life of the monster, the likelihood the chain lightning damage would enable you to be able to kill the cow in 1 less hit from all your other sources is significantly close to 0%. Again, we are taking such a small amount chance, it means nothing. If I had to guess, it would be something in the range of 1 out of10,000 cows, that the chain lightning impacts your kill speed for that 1 cow. But even that’s misleading due to the nature of a rift sin with AoE corpse explosion and AoE frozen orb. Meaning For the chain lightning to impact the kill speed, the cow you killed would also need to have a 0% chance to be hit by either corpse explosion or orb. Which the likehilood of that scenario happening, is also likely in the 1 in 10,000 mark.

So to get the full chance the ctc affecting your kill speed, it would be 10,000 x 10.000. Which is 1 in 100,000,000.


If I remember correctly, there is somewhere around an average of 250 cows per cow run. So you would need to do 400,000 cow runs for your ctc chain lightning to affect the kill speed of your cow run.


I doubt any one person has ever done a total of 400,000 cow runs.

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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 2 2022 09:51pm)
You are correct.

But it only has an 8% proc rate. So we are taking average damage. Therefore you have to Multply the damage by the chance it has to actually go off.

Even if you assume a 100% proc rate, cows are going to have around 10k life depending on if player 1 or player 8.

50 damage out of 10,000 damage needed to kill a monster is nothing. You would need the chain lightning to hit the monster 200 times for it to kill one.


But also you hve to consider I’d that 50 damage actually impacts the monster dying in 1 less hot than it already would.

Let’s use an easy example to illustrate this.

Let’s assume you are right int a monster that has 10,000 life. Your skill does 5001. Meaning it takes 2 of your skills to kill the monster. Now let’s say you increase your skill damage to 6000. It still takes 2 skills to kill the monster. While you Increased your damage, you didn’t affect your kill speed at all. Because it still takes 2 skills to kill the monster.

Given how low the damage of the chain lightning is in comparison to the maximum life of the monster, the likelihood the chain lightning damage would enable you to be able to kill the cow in 1 less hit from all your other sources is sidnicanrly close to 0%. Again, we are taking such a small amount chance, it means nothing. If I had to guess, 85 would be something in the range of 1 out of10,000 cows, the chain lightning impacts your kill speed for that 1 cow. But even that’s misleading due to the nature of a rift sin with ApE corpse explosion and AoE frozen orb. Meaning For the chain lightning to impact the kill speed, the cow you killed would also need to have he 0% chance to be hit by either corpse explosion or orb. Which the likehilood of that scenario happening, is also likely in the 1 in 10,000 mark.

So to get the full chance the ctc affecting your kill speed, it would be 10,000 x 10.000. Which is 1 in 100,000,000.


If I remember correctly, there is somewhere around an average of 250 cows per cow run. So you would need to do 400,000 cow runs for your ctc chain lightning toavraulkt age the tour kill speed.


I doubt any one person has ever done a total of 400,000 cow runs.



Sorry driving and typing l. I’m sure there are typos
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May 2 2022 09:06pm
Again, the above is all approximations, but the logic is sound and easy to follow.

Even if I Over or under approximated something By a factor of 10 and it favors the chain lightning, instead of 400,000 cow runs, its 40,000

If I Missed by a factor of 100, your ctc lightning only affects 1 in 4,000 cow runs.


It’s easy to see its meaningless. Nor is it worth the time to get more specific and accurate.

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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 3 2022 11:51am)
But also you hve to consider I’d that 50 damage actually impacts the monster dying in 1 less hot than it already would.


I got your point here.

And let me tell you what I do with Rift.

I don't lay any DS only when I'm using Rift. Not because there are only a few corpses left due to FO, but because I wanna watch more shades flying around :)

I can imagine an image where there are FO and CL everywhere. It'll be a lot of fun. And fun is what a game is all about.

And CL does supplemental dmg to FO. It's fun and does some dmg, what else do I ask for an ammy?

Duel is fun to you, and funny builds\images are fun to me.

And if I want to kill mobs faster, I just use javzon. Yes, with Enigma in this case :)

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Quote (di3tc0ke @ 3 May 2022 04:39)
Can anyone locate that please? I couldn't find it B)


You can make your rift sin in a lot of different ways. You want more kicks and less traps? Sweet, no problem. You want to be a pure trap with rift for inmunes? Ok! Now i have one more focused in traps, but i made this videp to show better the damage of orb. The gear and skills are shown at the end of the video.

https://youtu.be/KPpcyp8R4_w

My armor is a bugged enigma, just use a normal one.
You can use any white monarch instead of jmod.
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