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May 2 2022 06:46pm
Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 3 2022 09:27am)
There are plenty of guides that explain. Namely cantero’s.


Riftsin is just a dumb pvm build that is worse in hen most other builds.

Pvm is brain dead AF.

If you can’t see that Maras is obviously better than this, I really can’t help.


No, you can't help me :)

If killing speed is everything, I'd use javzon.

And from where I live, ping is horrible so can't PvP. And PvM is how I enjoy this game.

PvP is what you're after but not everyone is same. In this regard, you're not always correct obviously.
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No, you can't help me :)

If killing speed is everything, I'd use javzon.

And from where I live, ping is horrible so can't PvP. And PvM is how I enjoy this game.

PvP is what you're after but not everyone is same. In this regard, you're not always correct obviously.



And if your two options are this amulet and Maras, maras is significantly better.

And Maras isn’t particularly good for any sin. As sins need either fcr from amulet slot, or ias+deadly strike, therefore highlords.

There really isn’t any reason to not use a 2/20fcr amulet or highlords on sin.

But in the case of extreme budget scenarios, regardless of pvm or pvp, the worst Maras is better than this. And I bet you can find plenty of people that will just give you a 20 res Maras for free.

If I played this ladder, I don’t even pickup Anything when I bot to get 99.


Maras 6% life given from BO, is around 130 life to a 2200 base life assassin. And then 15 life from +5 vit due to 3 life per stat point. That’s basically 145. I can’t remember off the top of my head if the 15 life is BOable or affected by Jah. I don’t think it is.

Given assassins get 3 life per stat point, and this amulet gives 27 Str, which is a 22 Str difference from Maras, you can say the 22 Str is an effective + 66 life. Then that +66 life is multiplied by your BO bonus and 5% Max life from Jah. That will typically be in the 76-82% range, given your gear and level of Bo. So for arguments sake, let’s say after Bo and jah, you have 82% max life modifier.

1.82 x 66 = 120.12

145 > 120.12.

Maras alone gives you an effective life bonus of 25 more than this amulet. Not to mention more resist. More mana (from Bo), less teleport cost per cast.

Maras > this. It’s not even particularly close.

Nor is Maras even good for sins.


There I helped you. Easy math that was learned in 3rd grade iirc.
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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 2 2022 07:55pm)
And if your two options are this amulet and Maras, maras is significantly better.

And Maras isn’t particularly good for any sin. As sins need either fcr from amulet slot, or ias+deadly strike, therefore highlords.

There really isn’t any reason to not use a 2/20fcr amulet or highlords on sin.

But in the case of extreme budget scenarios, regardless of pvm or pvp, the worst Maras is better than this. And I bet you can find plenty of people that will just give you a 20 res Maras for free.

If I played this ladder, I don’t even pickup Anything when I bot to get 99.


Maras 6% life given from BO, is around 130 life to a 2200 base life assassin. And then 15 life from +5 vit due to 3 life per stat point. That’s basically 145. I can’t remember off the top of my head if the 15 life is BOable or affected by Jah. I don’t think it is.

Given assassins get 3 life per stat point, and this amulet gives 27 Str, which is a 22 Str difference from Maras, you can say the 22 Str is an effective + 66 life. Then that +66 life is multiplied by your BO bonus and 5% Max life from Jah. That will typically be in the 76-82% range, given your gear and level of Bo. So for arguments sake, let’s say after Bo and jah, you have 82% max life modifier.

1.82 x 66 = 120.12

145 > 120.12.

Maras alone gives you an effective life bonus of 25 more than this amulet. Not to mention more resist. More mana (from Bo), less teleport cost per cast.

Maras > this. It’s not even particularly close.

Nor is Maras even good for sins.


There I helped you. Easy math that was learned in 3rd grade iirc.


I agree with your math, but what's the math on the added chain lightning damage? Does this actually min/max more dmg at the cost of life and res???
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I agree with your math, but what's the math on the added chain lightning damage? Does this actually min/max more dmg at the cost of life and res???



8% chance to cast a lvl whatever chain lightning that does 1-20 damage.

If you think that stat even affects anything, you are wrong. The numbers are so low, we are talking about an extremely small rounding error. Of which diablo 2 always rounds down decimals.


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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 3 2022 09:55am)
And if your two options are this amulet and Maras, maras is significantly better.

And Maras isn’t particularly good for any sin. As sins need either fcr from amulet slot, or ias+deadly strike, therefore highlords.

There really isn’t any reason to not use a 2/20fcr amulet or highlords on sin.

But in the case of extreme budget scenarios, regardless of pvm or pvp, the worst Maras is better than this. And I bet you can find plenty of people that will just give you a 20 res Maras for free.

If I played this ladder, I don’t even pickup Anything when I bot to get 99.


Maras 6% life given from BO, is around 130 life to a 2200 base life assassin. And then 15 life from +5 vit due to 3 life per stat point. That’s basically 145. I can’t remember off the top of my head if the 15 life is BOable or affected by Jah. I don’t think it is.

Given assassins get 3 life per stat point, and this amulet gives 27 Str, which is a 22 Str difference from Maras, you can say the 22 Str is an effective + 66 life. Then that +66 life is multiplied by your BO bonus and 5% Max life from Jah. That will typically be in the 76-82% range, given your gear and level of Bo. So for arguments sake, let’s say after Bo and jah, you have 82% max life modifier.

1.82 x 66 = 120.12

145 > 120.12.

Maras alone gives you an effective life bonus of 25 more than this amulet. Not to mention more resist. More mana (from Bo), less teleport cost per cast.

Maras > this. It’s not even particularly close.

Nor is Maras even good for sins.


There I helped you. Easy math that was learned in 3rd grade iirc.


Thx for the explanation! This is what I wanted!

What I talked was Riftsin, so let us check IAS bps for scepter: 0,10,23,42,48,72,133. I can't tolerate less than 48 btw.

If you go with Enigma, then you'll have few options there.
(I am using treachery = 45 IAS, 60 res)

How to get enough IAS then? 3 IAS jewels in Helm? Then which item gives another 3 IAS? Ammy, gloves, belt or shield. No good options left if you wanna use draculs.

I can use anything for head from Nightwings, Dream, GFace, Andy, Gaze and even Shako.

Yes, I can use the Ammy because I use Treachery. Besides, I can use Dracs ez.

Oh, CL works with facet, doesn't it? If so, I can use facet x 3 instead of IAS x 3 in Helm.
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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 2 2022 08:05pm)
8% chance to cast a lvl whatever chain lightning that does 1-20 damage.

If you think that stat even affects anything, you are wrong. The numbers are so low, we are talking about an extremely small rounding error. Of which diablo 2 always rounds down decimals.


This helps as well. I didn't know if this would be used to trigger other procs etc...

You've been more than helpful. I appreciate your time!

This post was edited by Jpncs on May 2 2022 07:45pm
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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 3 2022 10:05am)
8% chance to cast a lvl whatever chain lightning that does 1-20 damage.

If you think that stat even affects anything, you are wrong. The numbers are so low, we are talking about an extremely small rounding error. Of which diablo 2 always rounds down decimals.


lvl3 = 1-62. And this is CHAIN lightning. So (1 - 62) x mobs numbers.

Conv aura from Merc and 3 facets. How much DMG? :)
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lvl3 = 1-62. And this is CHAIN lightning. So (1 - 62) x mobs numbers.

Conv aura from Merc and 3 facets. How much DMG? :)



8% chance to do roughly 32 average damage is 2.56 average damage.

Your average monster, including immunes, non immunes, etc etc after infinity will be around 33% Lightning resist. again, this is just average across all monster types.

So nt hen it’s 2.56 x .67 = 1.75ish Damage.

Then lvl 3 chain lightning can hit roughly 10 monsters. So let’s assume it always hits 10 monsters.

1.75 x 10 = 10.75 average damage

Your average monster, across player 1 and player 8 is going to have somewhere in the 6-20k HP range. Let’s just call it 10k for easy math.

So your 10.75 average damage from chain lightning does .0175% of your average monsters life.


.0175% is a small rounding error that had no outcome on your killspeed.

The ctc chain lightning is useless
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May 2 2022 08:18pm
Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ May 3 2022 11:05am)
8% chance to do roughly 32 average damage is 2.56 average damage.

Your average monster, including immunes, non immunes, etc etc after infinity will be around 33% Lightning resist. again, this is just average across all monster types.

So nt hen it’s 2.56 x .67 = 1.75ish Damage.

Then lvl 3 chain lightning can hit roughly 10 monsters. So let’s assume it always hits 10 monsters.

1.75 x 10 = 10.75 average damage

Your average monster, across player 1 and player 8 is going to have somewhere in the 6-20k HP range. Let’s just call it 10k for easy math.

So your 10.75 average damage from chain lightning does .0175% of your average monsters life.


.0175% is a small rounding error that had no outcome on your killspeed.

The ctc chain lightning is useless


Thx bunch!

Would you calc vs cows please?

Cows in Hell: 50% LR
Lvl 12 conv: - 85% LR
3 Facets: +15% Light DMG and - 15% LR

ty :)

P.S. You haven't replied but Enigma is a bad option for Riftsin.

This post was edited by di3tc0ke on May 2 2022 08:21pm
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Quote (di3tc0ke @ May 2 2022 09:18pm)
Thx bunch!

Would you calc vs cows please?

Cows in Hell: 50% LR
Lvl 12 conv: - 85% LR
3 Facets: +15% Light DMG and - 15% LR

ty :)



Multiply the number by like 2-3. Doesn’t change anything really.
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