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Quote (Bolea @ 15 Dec 2015 22:08)
an infinite amount can exist while all being legit.
its just the state d2 is in right now..


My guess is that id is an another 32-bit number, so there can be only 2^32 such axes (== any other items). Once you've got same 32-bit seed for name+mods AND same 32-bit id -- that's when dupe scanner will start wipe absolutely legit items :rofl: Anyway 2^64 is a big enough even for today's standard to really face this problem.

Quote (Nede @ 15 Dec 2015 22:07)
3 of those axes exist. Not just 2

Also still waiting on price of pelt


No BINs are defined yet, it'll take some time to figure this out.

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Quote (VFW @ Dec 15 2015 12:54pm)
I can tell you right now you didnt find/selfimbue craft Beast Scythe I own that axe. so i know for a fact you didnt find it.


the items are not duped or unperm he simply rolled them just like onair paput bezel blah blah blah

you can have identical items with different bit ids
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Quote (CandyBar @ Dec 15 2015 01:34pm)
My guess is that id is an another 32-bit number, so there can be only 2^32 such axes (== any other items). Once you've got same 32-bit seed for name+mods AND same 32-bit id -- that's when dupe scanner will start wipe absolutely legit items :rofl: Anyway 2^64 is a big enough even for today's standard to really face this problem.



No BINs are defined yet, it'll take some time to figure this out.


I will track thread keep me updated if you figure one out.

Quote (DeMeNiC @ Dec 15 2015 01:48pm)
the items are not duped or unperm he simply rolled them just like onair paput bezel blah blah blah

you can have identical items with different bit ids


I dont get how two people can roll the exact same items. That's what stumps me
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Quote (Nede @ 15 Dec 2015 22:50)
I dont get how two people can roll the exact same items. That's what stumps me

It's just math/probability thing. 2^32 is not that big number, really. And given the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem it should be weird if you had not seen any items which are share same name+stats... if actively played d2 for last 10+ years.
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Quote (CandyBar @ Dec 15 2015 03:13pm)
It's just math/probability thing. 2^32 is not that big number, really. And given the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem it should be weird if you had not seen any items which are share same name+stats... if actively played d2 for last 10+ years.


4294967296 :huh:

Some quick math:

If your bot farmed one rare eth berserker axe every second, probability-wise it would take 1193046 hours, 49710 days, or 136 years. Assuming you can find a normal or exceptional version and upgrade, still 45 years, and double that to find two exact copies.

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Quote (callsaul @ 15 Dec 2015 23:23)
4294967296 :huh:

Some quick math:

If your bot farmed one rare eth berserker axe every second, probability-wise it would take 1193046 hours, 49710 days, or 136 years. Assuming you can find a normal or exceptional version and upgrade, still 45 years, and double that to find two exact copies.


You're calculating chances for getting two exact/pre-defined items while I'm talking about chances to get any items that will share same name/stats. I. e., I was not aiming on getting precisely Beast Scythe, it just happens to "pop out" and it just happens to be second (third+ ?) axe of that kinda around. But if I'll aim on getting another Beast Scythe then, yes, it'll take way more time. It's more probable that I'll get another 29x/40 BA than one more Beast Scythe... and that another BA will match to some others version of that item because my guess is that all items ever possible already been generated in last 10+ years with army of bots farming 24/7. If you can't find some 450/2os/40ias/fast-rep/++/++ weapon... then most likely it simply doesn't exists at all because it's impossible to be generated with current game mechanics -- while mix of affixes itself are theoretically possible it'll limited by 2^32 value after all.
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Quote (Nede @ Dec 15 2015 01:07pm)
3 of those axes exist. Not just 2

Also still waiting on price of pelt


I would garuntee you his items are legit.
If you knew him this wouldnt be a discussion.
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