good thing I always use lastwish on my smiters

how did u test it?

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providing evidence instead of unsupported remarks like "this has been tested and I can verify that it is true" would be appreciated. otherwise it feels like ur just trying to slander my char. i was told some kicksins use travs just for the + damage. i also asked a number of reliable sources before building the char if grief would work and they all said it did. the char also works great and has amazing dmg, 10k+ kicks so if its not getting an extra 400from grief it actually isnt the end of the world.

This post was edited by ismilez on Dec 30 2009 09:24pm

I've tested this single player w/ editor before but information is widely available ask anyone in mechanics forum and they will tell you the same

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http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=16204303
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307525
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405240
ect

And I'm not not trying to troll or stop you from selling I'm just letting you know I've asked / tested this before and looked over it and it don't work. Kicksins are still gg imo and you can own a lot of people in <1 second I'm just saying there are better weps than grief since all grief really does is ias -def and venom. GL selling.

so i just checked ur links. 2 of them are 1.11 kicksin guides, one of which says grief doesnt work because "the +dmg is applied to the weapon only" or some trash like that. no explanation no evidence and no test how this was checked or verified. the guides goal as specified is also to do "1k" kicks. my kicker does 3.5k with no charges no conc, looks to me like ur using a trash guide.
the other link is a "does grief work w kick" thread and there are people on both sides of the argument, both claiming to have tested it.

im not saying i know because i dont. it seems to me however that is that you dont have enough evidence to support the claim that you do know.

and regarldess of whether or not grief adds this is still a good char at a good price