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is [0] faster or [-30]

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GT does
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Lower is faster.
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t/y can i get more posts trying to convince someone that -30 is fatser than 0
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rap Laying Speed- 9 frame with Fade. This is one of the most confusing parts of building this Assassin, so I’ll take some time to explain the mechanics.

9 FPA is the fastest trap laying can be, and is based on the average Weapon Speed Modifier (WSM) of your two claws. If you look at the base claw types on Arreat Summit, you will see a WSM corresponding to each type, ranging from 10 to -30. The lower the number, the faster the claw. Just like the IAS requirement for attacks is based on what weapon you are using, the trap speed bases the IAS required on the WSM of the claws. However, because the sin is dual-wielding, the average WSM (AWSM for short) is used instead. I.E. the AWSM for a -30 WSM talon and a 0 WSM claw will be -15. For future reference, the primary claw is above the gloves, and the secondary claw is above the boots.

The amount of IAS required for each AWSM is listed below. IAS is counted from every piece of equipment, except for the secondary claw. Note that any AWSM faster than -30 requires WSM Bugging, which will be explained later. Although your AWSM can be slower than -20, the breakpoints are not included because they require too much IAS to be efficient.

AWSM | IAS %
-20 | 63
-25 | 52
-30 | 42
-35 | 34
-40 | 26
-45 | 19
-50 | 13

Whirlwind speed- You want the 4 frame WW frame, which occurs at the BP of EIAS = -13, calculated by (WSM – IAS ON CLAW). A Feral Claw (or faster), regardless of how much IAS is on the claw, will already reach the 4 frame whirl BP. WW calculates speeds of both weapons independently. Although you get 2 free hit checks at frames 4 and 8, you should make sure your claws hit the 4 frame BP.


the speed on a swaayya is [0] which is slower than a rt or gt which is -30
if u have two swayyas u would need 147ias to hit 9frame trap laying


now ur crazy -30 is -30 less then 0 swaayya buddy.
negative is always less then 0


haha yes but for speed -30 is faster than 0, make a topic and ask, this confused me at first but -30 is faster than 0 30 is slower



Your proving me right.
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