i said the cloak works great on PVM aswell if somebody wants 320 attack they can just get a tiger for (you said) 700m, 700m can get you a decent tiger
beginning items from cw +1's and pang buffs are mode than enough to keep alive and do enough damage you hardly see a class go full str at a low level unless always with an RM
only way that the player will get "pwned" is if the player is going over the limit on what the player should be killing at lower levels you need life not damage

1. you never said it works great on PVM
2. Pang buffs are good enough ,but with a 320 attack its even better.
3. Yes i know u dont see a class go full str at low level. but the cloak will add a great beneficial to your attack. You probably wont even die before they even get a couple of hits on u cause they are already dead.
4. I never said they will get pwned by PVM. i ment pvp. if u see the sentence before the ( cause he will obviously get pwned at low lvls.) you can see that i stated PVP~

hm

Well the dragon cloak is definitely one of the best cloaks in the game for pvm, still holds some value in pvp
For 1 vs 1 billposters, the dragon cloak would definitely be pretty useful (and by the way attack rating isn't useful in asal)
Adding 320 ATK base damage for blades would be very useful
It's also useful for yoyo jesters in terms of melee and also hop, etc
knights could also use it when using pvp skills, etc, etc
Technically, 320 atk rate is way more beneficial than the 10% speed cloak, just because 320 ATK is harder to get than 10% speed (when you slot Wind B/A vs Fire B/A)

I don't get your point about how the 10/100 cloak would add a lot of hp to knights in siege o.o?

Edit: Just my opinion, not meant to offend anyone by my comments, thanks

This post was edited by TheMikeanator on Apr 17 2010 09:29pm

For 1 vs 1 billposters, the dragon cloak would definitely be pretty useful (and by the way attack rating isn't useful in asal) why i said without the cloak
Adding 320 ATK base damage for blades would be very useful ST pattie cloak covers that as gojjang stated
It's also useful for yoyo jesters in terms of melee and also hop, etc deadlystrike+hop u need the speed to get out of there
knights could also use it when using pvp skills, etc, etc im aware of fun in the arena but a seperate cloak for it?

im aware these are just opinions

i didnt mention anycloaks and if i were i would choose 10% speed 100+hp cloaks overall you need works greatly in both pvm and pvp( this is what u said.) it doesnt make any sense. proper sentence structure. at least so people can understand it.

are u stating the dragon cloak or the 10% speed cloak.

This post was edited by gojjang on Apr 17 2010 09:50pm

Right, talking about mainly 1 vs 1 billposters when using the dragon cloak (and there's a growing number of 1 vs 1 billposters)
The dragon cloak for blades would serve as a cheaper alternative to the Saint patrick's day cloak
As for yoyo jesters, it's more beneficial to slot weapons with speed and use the dragon cloak rather than using the speed cloak (you can get 12% speed with 3 wind B cards, or 14% speed with 2 wind A cards, but you'll only get 12 str when you replace the wind B cards with fire B cards or same with fire A cards

That amount of str isn't nearly equal to 320 attack rating
As for knights, besides the dragon cloak, the only other useful one would be the champion cloak
+100 HP doesn't make much difference in hp

10%/100+hp cloaks didnt say 5/5/5/5 D cloak or 320 D cloak



and as 1v1 bp's wouldnt they need crit/crit damage other than damage?
yoyo i see it as what your going for (siege built) if aiming for the low lifers or the 115k+ peeps
knights ~ unaware of the champion cloak (pvm) wouldnt you want the extra speed to gather more monsters

lol Lumines u just killed urself. You said the dragon cloak works great on PVM. and now ur saying u didnt say 5/5/5/5 D Cloak or 320 D cloak. if u read the previous posts. you would understand taht you just killed urself.

1. you never said it works great on PVM ( YOU BOLDED THIS)
2. Pang buffs are good enough ,but with a 320 attack its even better.
3. Yes i know u dont see a class go full str at low level. but the cloak will add a great beneficial to your attack. You probably wont even die before they even get a couple of hits on u cause they are already dead.
4. I never said they will get pwned by PVM. i ment pvp. if u see the sentence before the ( cause he will obviously get pwned at low lvls.) you can see that i stated PVP~

then ,,,

i didnt mention anycloaks and if i were i would choose 10% speed 100+hp cloaks overall you need works greatly in both pvm and pvp *( you agin)

speed gets you kill per rate go alot faster 320 attack cloak doesnt work great at all when awakens pretty much give you everything else you need

billposters enough damage with asal without the cloak
blades enough crit damage without the cloak
psykeepers now i guess would use st patties cloak for faster psy bomb usage
knights 10/100 cloaks definately gives them a great boost in life if they are tanks in siege
ringmasters in siege are to provide buffs and hc whenever used possible therefore 320 cloak useless again

then go back to sentence 1. you didnt say anthing about 5/5/5/5 D cloak or 320 D cloak.

and we were talking about the 320+ D cloak. lol....

edit: dont know how to do that quote copy thing.

This post was edited by gojjang on Apr 17 2010 10:05pm

Right, stating a cheaper alternative for the Saint Patrick's Day cloak though (forgot to mention that before, sorry about that)
I see what you mean about the speed for gathering more monsters, but technically if you use a dragon cloak, and instead of slotting say 4 fire B in your weapon, you slot 4 wind Bs you'll a 16% speed increase (instead of a 10% one) and still have an attack rating boost from the cloak