SS Tier
Meta Knight 15.00

S Tier
Snake 13.91

A Tier
Falco 13.03
King Dedede 12.94
Mr. Game & Watch 12.50
Marth 12.09
Diddy Kong 11.94

B Tier
Wario 11.47
R.O.B. 11.38
Lucario 10.94
Olimar 10.94

C Tier
Pikachu 10.34
Kirby 10.16
Donkey Kong 10.06
Ice Climbers 9.59

D Tier
Zero Suit Samus 8.88
Toon Link 8.47
Pit 8.44
Peach 8.16
Wolf 7.91

E Tier
Luigi 7.41
Zelda 7.03
Bowser 6.91
Fox 6.66
Sheik 6.44
Ike 5.91

F Tier
Mario 4.56
Lucas 4.50
Ness 4.50
Samus 4.41
Sonic 4.16
Pokémon Trainer 3.94
Yoshi 3.66

G Tier
Link 2.28
Jigglypuff 2.03
Ganondorf 1.88
Captain Falcon 1.63

Discuss.

This post was edited by Ugg on Jan 27 2009 06:48pm

sorry, tiers are for people who can't adapt OR play as all characters......

No. Tiers are here to enlighten people on how good their character is.
It should, in NO way, affect who someone plays.
And if you play as all characters, chances are, you're shitty with all of them.

This post was edited by Ugg on Jan 27 2009 07:45pm

No, tiers are immaginary, made up because people think that their favorite characters are the best.

And NO, playing all characters is pretty easy......

Not if you want to be good with any of them, and there's no way in hell tiers are imaginary.
Stop arguing a losing battle.

This post was edited by Ugg on Jan 27 2009 07:57pm

Being good with all or most characters is very easy... i dont see how any decent player can't do this.....


Tiers are immaginary, im sorry.

Because you're not decent. You wouldn't know what decent IS, play someone who's half-decent and you'll be scrambling to pick a character you're actually good with because you're losing with everyone else, but there won't be one because you're equally shitty with everyone. And you won't know who to pick because apparently tiers are imaginary. Which must mean matchups are imaginary too. Captain Falcon goes even with MK. Makes sense, amirite?
Look, I know you're pro-brawl, and that's fantastic, I am too. And you're knowledgable when it comes to the beginners aspect of the game, but when it comes to the competitive scene.. you know nothing. Your statement on "i dont see how any decent player can do this".. Most "good" players can play most characters, but not at a tournament level. You aren't going to see an amazing brawl player at a tourney pick a bunch of random characters and win, because in a tournament-environment at a very high level of play, people are going to be of equal skill level. Meaning you shouldn't be picking random characters if they have a dead-set main character which they know enough about to beat some scrub who thinks they're good with every character. Either way, all you need is 2 or 3 characters in order to cover your other characters bad matchups. Maining more than like, 7 is unnecessary. This is talking tournament-wise, by the way, in friendlies it doesn't matter, or it shouldn't because they're friendly-matches. All-in-all, the sad truth is, stuff like attacks that can lock up to a certain %, chain grabs, move priority, infinite grabs and all that DO exist. And DDD has an infinite down-throw chain on Bowser, Ganondorf, Samus, Mario, Luigi, and Donkey Kong. Evidentally he's higher above everyone else on the tier list. But Bowser is above Ganon because Bowser has grab-release options on bowser, etc. Essentially, you will end up with a tier list.

This post was edited by Ugg on Jan 27 2009 08:22pm

I'm laughing...

You lost this argument because you are automatically think that i am a bad player....Which means you cannot stick to facts..

Do i use all characters, YES, am i good with 90% of them YES....

I certainly am better with my 5 or so mains, but i can play with pretty much any char and do fine...

Stop jabbering your "tournament play" There, people are going to pick their best and favorite character. OF COURSE they arent just going to go random...

My whole argument is, It is CLEARLY not impossible to be good at all chars
WHY?

1. A lot of characters play the same way (speed or strength, ect.

2. Any player can win by simply using smash attacks... Smash attacks are strong and are easy to juggle wth.



tiers -----sorry, but there has not been an official tier list released, thus one can not exist. Again, Tiers are made up by people who think their characters are best, and put down the ones they are worse at or are beaten by...

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Jan 27 2009 08:26pm

LOL, half of this is just random theorycraft-bullshit.

You lost this argument because you are automatically think that i am a bad player....Which means you cannot stick to facts..

How is you being a good player a fact?

Do i use all characters, YES, am i good with 90% of them YES....

You don't know what "GOOD" is. You think there is no official tier lists. There has been two over the course of 7 months.


Stop jabbering your "tournament play" There, people are going to pick their best and favorite character. OF COURSE they arent just going to go random...

You basically repeated what I said minus the first sentence.


1. A lot of characters play the same way (speed or strength, ect.

2. Any player can win by simply using smash attacks... Smash attacks are strong and are easy to juggle with.

Both of which, are extremely false.

tiers -----sorry, but there has not been an official tier list released, thus one can not exist. Again, Tiers are made up by people who think their characters are best, and put down the ones they are worse at or are beaten by...

Yes, there has.
Smashboards.com, Allisbrawl.com, Smashwiki.com, google, all of which are your friend.

This post was edited by Ugg on Jan 27 2009 08:32pm

Ok, you don't know how i play, you have never seen me play... THUS you cannot judge my playing cababilities.....If you cannot understand this simple logic, i feel sorry for you.

You cannot have 2 tier lists...Again for the third time (do i really have to explain this again?) Tiers are just peoples opinions....the game was not created with lesser quality characters....


1. A lot of characters play the same way (speed or strength, ect.

2. Any player can win by simply using smash attacks... Smash attacks are strong and are easy to juggle with.

Both of which, are extremely TRUE.......are you dumb? Mario, Luigi.....similiar characters, couple different moves.. Gannon, captain falc.....falco, wolf, fox...just examples...all similar characters, with a few different moves and characteristics....

You're really not putting up any facts, just your opinion....