It depends on what you mean, sheik always has a ton of options in every scenario and a very strong neutral/combo game so she's considered the best, but she can be hard to kill with. Characters like zss and meta knight have pretty crazy up-air to up-b combos and a ton of relatively safe setups for these combos which puts them pretty high on the tier list. Then there's characters like fox, pika, diddy, yoshi, mario, luigi who have one of: decent to great ground/air game, decent to great combo game, decent to great grab and throw follow-up game, but lacks in one of these which hurts them a bit (or they just have some weird flaw like a janky recovery), and there's the dk's and the bowsers who have few options at all time but their grab and throw game is amazing so they can hang with a good part of the higher-tiered cast, but they need to win the mental game a lot more

This post was edited by destry on Feb 1 2016 07:23pm

Bayonetta and Corrin are both awesome

this game's final roster is pretty damn crazy

oh shit forgot they came out early feb, any big balance changes?

http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-4-patch-notes.430023/

most notable: lucy/marth got a buff on their aerials, roy got a pretty nice landing lag reduction, top 3 chars (sheik zss and rosa) got their weight reduced by 1 point (http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Weight weight data), max got a bunch of knockback angle changes, tlink got a lot less landing lag on his d-air, and a few chars got their hitbox reworked to help them connect better

http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-4-patch-notes.430023/

there's probably more to come as no character (beside bayo and corrin) are marked as 100%

edit: oh and bowser got cannot connect upthrow/up-air past 100% anymore

interesting, none of my characters were touched..oh well

who do you play?

My two mains are wii fit trainer/mario. Pretty decent at each if I do say, I prefer wii fit trainer in general but mario is with out a doubt a much better character


secondaries would be peach/pac-mac and a handful others but don't play much as of late so really just play WFT/mario

This post was edited by gramkracka22 on Feb 4 2016 06:26pm

Good stuff, i don't see many wiifit players but s/he's pretty cool! A lot of people know the mario matchup at least decently, which makes everything a bit harder for mario mains. Have you seen the crazy tech peach has? She has a pretty insane skill cap.

i think rin from japan has a pretty sick wft, he played at genesis 3 if i'm not mistaken

This post was edited by destry on Feb 4 2016 07:22pm

I really only link

who you play other than fox destry?