Quote (Toshster @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 20:52)

Calm Mind passer ;D but he has phys, but I liek Calm Mind passer. I wanna see someone manage to get a baton pass chain with Calm Mind/Bulk up and have a mixed sweeper at the end.

Quote (Ugg @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 18:36)

I'm still not very convinced by the strategy of passing Curse to a Curse stat-upper. I think your better bet, without changing much, is running a Mean Look passing Umbreon set. Trap something that Swampert can set-up on, Taunt it, then pass to Swampert for a free set-up. Here are the switches I suggest:


Swampert @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Defense / 216 Special Defense
Nature: Careful
Ability: Torrent
- Curse
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

You want Waterfall over Avalanche because it has much better neutral coverage for one move. You need to pump Special Defense because you're already boosting your Defense with Curse, so there's no point in investing in it.


Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Special Defense / 164 Speed
Nature: Careful
Ability: Synchronize
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Wish
- Taunt

Use this set to pass trapped Pokemon over to Swampert, so that he can set up and sweep.


Also.. replace your physical Electivire with MixVire.


Electivire @ Expert Belt
EVs: 36 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 220 Speed
Nature: Mild
Ability: Volt Absorb
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Flamethrower
- Cross Chop

I like this set a lot more than the purely-physical one, and there are a few advantages. 1: It's not wrecked by Will-O-Wisp. 2: It's walled by less things. 3: It has more of a surprise element, and 4: It's a better wall-breaker.


Also, I'd like to Scarf your Starmie, so that you can revenge kill a Salamence / Gyarados if they manage to get a DD.


Starmie @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Trick

Again, it's so you don't get swept by Pokemon that manage to get a +1 or something. Timid lets you beat Timid Scarf Latias and finish off a weakened one with Ice Beam. Trick is great for crippling common Starmie switch-ins, such as Blissey.

Quote (Minhtri008 @ Sun, Sep 6 2009, 05:00pm)

I like those ideas ...time to make big changes!
oh but 1 question ... how will Swampert sweep with only waterfall >.> ... the other guy can bring in Kingdra and get atleast 1 DD >.<

Quote (The_Chao_Master @ Sun, Sep 6 2009, 04:47pm)

I've seen someone do one hell of an opener,
it started smeagle VS swampert,
Smeagle used block, Swampert used SR
Smeagle used encore, swampert HAD to SR
Smeagle BP to X(forgot which pokemon), Swampert still had to SR
X used trick, CB was tricked to Swampert, still had to SR
X BP to Salamence, guess what Swampert was still SRing (had no choice)
Salamence DDed 6 times and sweped team

Quote (Toshster @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 19:53)

Wow

Quote (Minhtri008 @ Sun, Sep 6 2009, 06:14pm)

Lol ... that sounds awesome ...

Quote (Minhtri008 @ Sun, Sep 6 2009, 11:00pm)

I like those ideas ...time to make big changes!
oh but 1 question ... how will Swampert sweep with only waterfall >.> ... the other guy can bring in Kingdra and get atleast 1 DD >.<

Quote (Cowthang @ Mon, Sep 7 2009, 09:38am)

The idea is that you take out the pokes that will switch-in and absorb Waterfall, then you can commence with your sweep.

Quote (The_Chao_Master @ Sun, Sep 6 2009, 04:47pm)

I've seen someone do one hell of an opener,
it started smeagle VS swampert,
Smeagle used block, Swampert used SR
Smeagle used encore, swampert HAD to SR
Smeagle BP to X(forgot which pokemon), Swampert still had to SR
X used trick, CB was tricked to Swampert, still had to SR
X BP to Salamence, guess what Swampert was still SRing (had no choice)
Salamence DDed 6 times and sweped team

Quote (Ugg @ Mon, Sep 7 2009, 01:10pm)

That Smeargle should've used Spider Web over Block. Still cool, though.