Stop saying that Scarf Heracross wrecks everything. No one uses him any more :| And it's really not hard to switch in a resistance and just get him stuck on it and force a switch. You're hell bent on the idea Scarf Heracross owns.

I use it pff

and I've seen it a few times

I never said it " wrecks him " lol, I just said that he may find problems with it if he comes across it

and he doesn't exactly have alot of pokes that are " resistant " to his attacks

This post was edited by Cowthang on Sep 6 2009 12:43pm

Toss on a Gyrados/Salamence.
Dead Heracross

Yes it's easy just to say that, but the fact is that he doesn't have either of them in his team

*this post is for rating mihnitri's team*

Have you ever considered Torment on your lead Aerodactyl? It's not a half bad move. It forces a switch against Pokemon that rely on 1 move to 2HKO Aerodactyl, and it forces the switch on Choice users who don't Trick on the first turn, which gives you a free turn to set up / Taunt another Pokemon / do whatever. The trouble is finding a spot for it on your moveset.

I don't really like the idea of you having a Ninjask speed-passer and a Curse-passer on the same team, they pretty much contradict each other. I think that you should we-work your baton pass chain a bit, and make it so that they all compliment each other.

This post was edited by Ugg on Sep 6 2009 12:54pm

Calm Mind passer ;D but he has phys, but I liek Calm Mind passer. I wanna see someone manage to get a baton pass chain with Calm Mind/Bulk up and have a mixed sweeper at the end.

Scarf Heracross is the least of his worries. He's basically swept by a Gyarados if he gets a DD up, he's very weak to offensive Zapdos / Jolteon, and if Starmie's down then he's raped by Scizor. And that's not all of it, lol.

This post was edited by Ugg on Sep 6 2009 02:10pm

Nevermind this post.

This post was edited by Ugg on Sep 6 2009 02:20pm

I have made a few changes regarding your oppinions.

I have switched Donphan for Swampert since he will be bulky with a Curse boost and then hit hard with Avalanche ( Impish, 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def , Avalanche / Earthquake / Rest / Sleep talk with Leftovers )
and I have switched Tyranitar for Electivire he can switch in on electric attacks directed to Starmie ( Jolly , 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed , Thunderpunch / Icepunch / Earthquake /Cross Chop with Expert Belt )
also I have switched Ninjask for a Breloom ... He's just funny when the other guys gets annoyed ( Adamant, 44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Speed, Leech Seed / Spore / Substitute / Focus Punch with Toxic Orb )

So heres the strategy I have decided to use to play with these

Aerodactyl - set up stealth rock and try to weaken opponents pokemons
Electivire - physical sweeper and electric attack absorber
Swampert - physical tank and sweeper with Curse boost from Umbreon
Umbreon - mixed tank and curse passer
Breloom - Annoyer Spore then Focus Punch or Spore then Leech seed then sub-punch
Starmie - special sweeper/revenge killer

ALSO! ... I have a Scarfed Heracross that I use as well ... so they are still popular!
I used it against God_Apostle and took out 3-4 of his pokemons

I'm still not very convinced by the strategy of passing Curse to a Curse stat-upper. I think your better bet, without changing much, is running a Mean Look passing Umbreon set. Trap something that Swampert can set-up on, Taunt it, then pass to Swampert for a free set-up. Here are the switches I suggest:


Swampert @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Defense / 216 Special Defense
Nature: Careful
Ability: Torrent
- Curse
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

You want Waterfall over Avalanche because it has much better neutral coverage for one move. You need to pump Special Defense because you're already boosting your Defense with Curse, so there's no point in investing in it.


Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Special Defense / 164 Speed
Nature: Careful
Ability: Synchronize
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Wish
- Taunt

Use this set to pass trapped Pokemon over to Swampert, so that he can set up and sweep.


Also.. replace your physical Electivire with MixVire.


Electivire @ Expert Belt
EVs: 36 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 220 Speed
Nature: Mild
Ability: Volt Absorb
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Flamethrower
- Cross Chop

I like this set a lot more than the purely-physical one, and there are a few advantages. 1: It's not wrecked by Will-O-Wisp. 2: It's walled by less things. 3: It has more of a surprise element, and 4: It's a better wall-breaker.


Also, I'd like to Scarf your Starmie, so that you can revenge kill a Salamence / Gyarados if they manage to get a DD.


Starmie @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Trick

Again, it's so you don't get swept by Pokemon that manage to get a +1 or something. Timid lets you beat Timid Scarf Latias and finish off a weakened one with Ice Beam. Trick is great for crippling common Starmie switch-ins, such as Blissey.