Quote (Toshster @ Dec 19 2009 04:17pm)

Salamence OHKO's Kingdra with LO Draco doesn't it? If not Draco, probably an Outrage.

Quote (Ugg @ Dec 19 2009 04:24pm)

I dunno, you'd have to figure out the EV spread and see if he has enough EVs to outspeed him after a DD and whatnot and if he does outspeed him, enough EVs to OHKO. The scenario would probably be like this;

A switches in Kingdra
B switches out to Salamence
A uses Dragon Dance, but Intimidate makes puts attack back to 0 instead of +1, but his speed will be +1

Quote (Toshster @ Dec 19 2009 04:27pm)

Salamence >

Quote (Ugg @ Dec 19 2009 04:30pm)

That's the TL;DR version of the above, yeah.

Quote (Toshster @ Dec 19 2009 04:31pm)

Yup. And then DD Dragonite. Rape rape rape.

Quote (Ugg @ Dec 19 2009 10:16pm)

Kingdra would get set up on by anything because of it's pussy ass attack. Even more pussy if you're using the EVs for bulk.

The STAB doesn't make much of a difference if you're a pussy.

Dragonite can easily set up on counters with Ice Beam and stall them out via Roost, especially if it's packing Light Screen. It can also run set up on Scizor pretty nicely, and would actually do damage if it attacked.

Quote (Cowthang @ Dec 19 2009 04:44pm)

lol'd

for one, even with a bulky spread, scizor's BP still 2HKOs

and only with Light Screen can it actually setup on users of Ice Beam, otherwise your just going to run into trouble
and if you decide to use Light Screen on the Dragonite itself, you just get utterly walled by Steel types then

Quote (Cowthang @ Dec 19 2009 04:44pm)

lol'd

for one, even with a bulky spread, scizor's BP still 2HKOs

and only with Light Screen can it actually setup on users of Ice Beam, otherwise your just going to run into trouble
and if you decide to use Light Screen on the Dragonite itself, you just get utterly walled by Steel types then

Quote (Ugg @ Dec 19 2009 04:47pm)

You can DD once, Roost up to full health on Ice Beams and repeat.