care to show some example?

thats kinda vague

Well, I was more talking about NES and snes, they had some challenge and even now. Zelda 1 and 2 being the prime examples here. A link to the past also had some challenge to it since there was no real blocking back then, you had to dodge everything >_>

i never really found zelda 3 that challenging tbh
but i know what you're talking about

to me its really about the art style more than the actual difficulty

The art style? i've NEVER had a problem with art in pretty much any game, maybe a little quirk here and there but no more COUGHskywardswordCOUGH.

id love to have some more grim games
like metroid prime, now thats what you call a great visual style

Yeah... Metroid prime is fun XD I got th one from the ambassador on 3ds, it's hard and I fail because I havn't played anything challenging recently...

thats not metroid prime tho
its metroid fusion, which is imo one of the worst metroid game (its still good tho, just my least favorite metroid game)

Its the only metroid game I played >_>

well you're gonna have to fix that soon enough

Hah, I'm not gonna get any time to play games till summer...