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Jun 9 2009 11:24am
Quote (decoppel @ Tue, Jun 9 2009, 12:52pm)
Can you give examples of low scoring games you like?

Nintendo left the hardcore gaming market and entered a new realm, one where they forgot about people who lived to play their first party titles.


I don't think the problem is with their first-party games to be honest. Yes, they create more shovelware now than they ever have done in the past, but they still have their main games. This gen, they have released one main Mario game (which is arguably the best 3D Mario game, or better than Sunshine at the very least), one main Zelda game, one main Metroid game, one Smash Bros. game, and one Mario Kart game, and have a Mario game, a Metroid game, and a Zelda game in the pipeline. Last gen, they only released one Mario game and one Zelda game, but this gen it looks like 2 of each will be released at least.

The problem is more with the third-party games to be honest. The Wii isn't as powerful as the PS3 and the 360, so it misses out on a lot of third-party games that those two consoles get. Last gen, the GameCube had games like Tales of Symphonia, Skies of Arcadia, Timesplitters 2, Soul Calibur II, Resident Evil 4, REmake, Rogue Leader, Ikaruga, The Twin Snakes, and so on, a good few of which were multiplatform.

There are definitely not as many good third-party games this gen, but there are still a fair number of good first-party games.
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Jun 9 2009 11:30am
You guys are all about the ratings.
Some of my favorite N64 games got horrible ratings.
Ratings on gamespot don't usually mean anything.
Nintendo games are fucking fun. 'Nuff said.
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Jun 9 2009 01:14pm
Quote (Vio-Lewis @ Tue, Jun 9 2009, 01:24pm)
I don't think the problem is with their first-party games to be honest.  Yes, they create more shovelware now than they ever have done in the past, but they still have their main games.  This gen, they have released one main Mario game (which is arguably the best 3D Mario game, or better than Sunshine at the very least), one main Zelda game, one main Metroid game, one Smash Bros. game, and one Mario Kart game, and have a Mario game, a Metroid game, and a Zelda game in the pipeline.  Last gen, they only released one Mario game and one Zelda game, but this gen it looks like 2 of each will be released at least. 

The problem is more with the third-party games to be honest.  The Wii isn't as powerful as the PS3 and the 360, so it misses out on a lot of third-party games that those two consoles get.  Last gen, the GameCube had games like Tales of Symphonia, Skies of Arcadia, Timesplitters 2, Soul Calibur II, Resident Evil 4, REmake, Rogue Leader, Ikaruga, The Twin Snakes, and so on, a good few of which were multiplatform. 

There are definitely not as many good third-party games this gen, but there are still a fair number of good first-party games.


Of course its not first party, but they are also creating some fairly crappy cheesy games, and really emphasizing buying as many accessories (that all suck) as possible. Not saying its wrong, but to someone who knows what they are doing....

IMHO Nintendo LETS bad games get dev'd.

Quote (Toshster @ Tue, Jun 9 2009, 01:30pm)
You guys are all about the ratings.
Some of my favorite N64 games got horrible ratings.
Ratings on gamespot don't usually mean anything.
Nintendo games are fucking fun. 'Nuff said.


Examples.

PLX.

Not just gamespot, give 3 sources (not shitty sources) where it is criticized unfairly.

I rarely find a game thats GOOD that gets below a 6.
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Jun 9 2009 02:05pm
Quote (decoppel @ Tue, Jun 9 2009, 03:14pm)
Of course its not first party, but they are also creating some fairly crappy cheesy games, and really emphasizing buying as many accessories (that all suck) as possible. Not saying its wrong, but to someone who knows what they are doing....

IMHO Nintendo LETS bad games get dev'd.



Examples.

PLX.

Not just gamespot, give 3 sources (not shitty sources) where it is criticized unfairly.

I rarely find a game thats GOOD that gets below a 6.


Its not major here in the North America but that British Magazine and Website Edge gives average ratings to games everyone else critcally aclaims.
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Jun 9 2009 02:37pm
Quote (Vio-Lewis @ Tue, Jun 9 2009, 01:24pm)
I don't think the problem is with their first-party games to be honest. Yes, they create more shovelware now than they ever have done in the past, but they still have their main games. This gen, they have released one main Mario game (which is arguably the best 3D Mario game, or better than Sunshine at the very least), one main Zelda game, one main Metroid game, one Smash Bros. game, and one Mario Kart game, and have a Mario game, a Metroid game, and a Zelda game in the pipeline. Last gen, they only released one Mario game and one Zelda game, but this gen it looks like 2 of each will be released at least.

The problem is more with the third-party games to be honest. The Wii isn't as powerful as the PS3 and the 360, so it misses out on a lot of third-party games that those two consoles get. Last gen, the GameCube had games like Tales of Symphonia, Skies of Arcadia, Timesplitters 2, Soul Calibur II, Resident Evil 4, REmake, Rogue Leader, Ikaruga, The Twin Snakes, and so on, a good few of which were multiplatform.

There are definitely not as many good third-party games this gen, but there are still a fair number of good first-party games.


Not trying to start an argument but GC had two major Zelda releases (Wind Waker and Twilight Princess). Twilight Princess was originally developed for the GC and they just took it and put it on the Wii.
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Jun 9 2009 07:26pm
Quote (decoppel @ Tue, Jun 9 2009, 06:28am)
Prove him wrong.

This generation, the Wii has been a shame of a GAMING console, it caters to the lowest common denominator on the gaming cycle, which would be people who would try it if it had some sort of "benefit"

Nintendos average review score across multiple networks is much lower than the 360/PS3 because of such shitty games being dev'd for a quick coin.

That being said...

Nintendos E3 this year >>>>>>>>>>>>> last year.

Last year was a weak show, atleast they had some GOOD games showin this time around.



NEVER question decoppel..he knows what he is talking aboot and he is right on the mark with this one
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Jun 10 2009 06:43am
Quote (SalvationDG @ Tue, Jun 9 2009, 04:05pm)
Its not major here in the North America but that British Magazine and Website Edge gives average ratings to games everyone else critcally aclaims.


But the fact is when I ask them to show a few sources of poor ratings (that aren't sites with those reps) they cannot.

Because when it all boils down, most of the time games with under 6 are only playable to

A. MONSTERFANS of that series
B. R-tards trophy hunting
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Jun 10 2009 05:30pm
Quote (decoppel @ Tue, Jun 9 2009, 12:14pm)
Of course its not first party, but they are also creating some fairly crappy cheesy games, and really emphasizing buying as many accessories (that all suck) as possible. Not saying its wrong, but to someone who knows what they are doing....

IMHO Nintendo LETS bad games get dev'd.



Examples.

PLX.

Not just gamespot, give 3 sources (not shitty sources) where it is criticized unfairly.

I rarely find a game thats GOOD that gets below a 6.



I'm not saying they are GOOD games, just CRAZY fun.
Both pokemon stadiums for N64 got under a 6 I believe.

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Jun 10 2009 05:35pm
Quote (Toshster @ Wed, Jun 10 2009, 07:30pm)

Nope. Both were well received  8 and 7.5
Quote (Toshster @ Wed, Jun 10 2009, 07:30pm)

Nope. Both were well received 8 and 7.5
Quote (Toshster @ Wed, Jun 10 2009, 07:30pm)

Nope. Both were well received 8 and 7.5
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Jun 10 2009 05:38pm
Quote (decoppel @ Wed, Jun 10 2009, 04:35pm)
Nope. Both were well received  8 and 7.5
Nope. Both were well received 8 and 7.5

Nope. Both were well received 8 and 7.5


O :P
didn't perfect dark get a perfect 10? :P
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