Quote (Doyek @ 30 Jun 2011 22:12)

the fuck?


stopped reading there lol

Quote (fastball26 @ 30 Jun 2011 17:54)

this is for double battles so im having ninetale up for support so those three will wall venusaur but not ninetales w/ heatwave.
What i am going to start with is ninetales/bronzong, im going to give ninetales protect then going to have a bronzong put up both walls maybe a earthquake in between and when im all finished an explosion for a free switch with venusaur for a stab solarbeam.  Also the reason i want venusaur instead of shiftry is because i wanna use him to actually take a hit so i can synthesis 3/4 health back instantly so while they will have to focus both attacks on venusaur to kill him.
I really doubt with 1 attack anyone can kill a venusaur with a light screen up with his fairly good special def.  Idk though I have not crunched the numbers.
Charizard Im up to change but I truly believe venusaur is the best option and im debating between giving him earthquake to take care of any slower fire/ice types.  Maybe make him neutral then and with a growth his attack and spa gets doubled for a mixed sweeper.

Quote (Minhtri008 @ Jun 30 2011 06:30pm)

Since you are setting up screens you dont have to invest so much EVs into def/Sdef on your venusaur
Explosion hits every pokemon on the field so its kinda risky for your side, making espeon for viable if they decide to carry brick break or stalls till your screens fade away and espeon has magic bounce so it cant be induced with a stat changing move like twave or toxic

Quote (fastball26 @ 30 Jun 2011 19:55)

kk so if i switch bronzong with espeon should i use light screen, reflect, morning sun, and psyshock?  Thinking psyshock because it counts off of your special attack and the others defense seeing if i make my venusaur mixed and vulpix is special and charizard is special.
maybe i will take the mixed blaziken instead of charizard too with speed boost seeing it is obviously better.

Blaziken @ Rash/ mild nature
Ability Speed boost @ life orb/expert belt
Solar Beam
Fire Blast/flamethrower
Hi jump kick
Protect
6atk/252Satk/252Spe

Im debating if i take him if i should have fire blast or flamethrower.  I feel unlucky when it comes to accuracy and I think with sunny day/stab flamethrower should be enough to kill anyone not resistant to it besides maybe blissy.

/edit: also what do you think are good evs for venusaur because I couldnt really find a build for the Chlorophyll ability on smogon

Quote (Minhtri008 @ Jun 30 2011 08:21pm)

That espeon set is good but its ur choice between psychic and psyshock

Since u are under the sun and want to abuse chlorophyll u have to max out speed

name: Special Growth
move 1: Growth
move 2: Energy Ball / SolarBeam / Petal Dance
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Sludge Bomb / Sleep Powder
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

or

name: Mixed Growth
move 1: Growth
move 2: Seed Bomb/Solarbeam/Power whip/petal dance
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Sleep Powder
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Lonely
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe or 4atk/252 SpA/252Spe
ivs: 30 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

Edit:
Here is the smogon list for 5th gen
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83009

Quote (fastball26 @ 30 Jun 2011 21:46)

I feel like the second build is what im looking for but Im not too into hidden power. so ill probably go synthesis for the 3/4 life back seeing i will outspeed everyone anyways. seeing ninetales will have hypnosis with wide lens

Quote (Minhtri008 @ Jun 30 2011 08:50pm)

ferrothorn or forretress completely stops ur sweeping spree cuz they take neutral dmg from eq and 4x res on solarbeam

Quote (fastball26 @ 30 Jun 2011 22:11)

double battles.... ninetales or Blaziken will be out there with venusaur.  And thats 4x on ferrothorn.  Walls will need to be able to stop fire/fighting/ground/grass.  Idk of any pokemon that is resistant to all 4 but if you do be sure to let me know

Quote (Minhtri008 @ Jun 30 2011 10:25pm)

special def eviolite dusclops comes to mind but its not that popular lol even tho it has a wooping 398 def and 591 sdef it takes neutral dmg from fire and grass and blocks fighting with his ghost type and blocks ground with levitate and makes u cry with WoW/Toxic+Pain split
I forgot about Gengar...It has 2x resist on your venusaur and doesnt care about fighting and ground moves and if its choice scarfed it outspeeds your venusaur and can 2hko you with hidden power ice
there is also parahax togekiss that can cause you problems twave+air slash and most of them are 252hp/252Sdef, there is so much more to name
Mainly be careful of other weather users like politoed,ttar and abanosnow