yeah but he's not doing upside down kick at you from full or half screen into plus frames either, spinning mixer into dp is the same sort of mixup, v reversal the upside down kick and there is no mixup

agree with this part, 2 bar v trigger is TOO far, although the cr.mp really doesn't matter because in s1 it already did that on counterhit, now it just doesn't need it to do it, but all the situations it would hit you would be counterhit anyway right? feels like a moot change tbh

catches jumping away, it also goes over low attacks and whiff punishes them for a continued combo. playing guile, throwing it out over and over without care is 50% of my wins.

This post was edited by nate321 on Feb 28 2017 11:06pm

i mean don't get me wrong he's OD, but he definitely seems more fair than those other character's i'd rather get guiled than mika'd from season 1, for example. i'll take the throw against guile, i won't be eating no upside down gravity defiers thanks

spinning mixer into dp is just the blocked portion of UD

regular tick throw you have a window where you can tech and/or still block because of block stun
UDK makes it so the grab comes out no matter what because of the airborne frames
I dont mind it being a throw bait
Being able to convert into 250+ dmg is a bit much
There's little risk and very very high reward and more of a just-do-it move than an actual read move because it's only -2 on block
Shimmy you can still clip them in the legs, jab, or react to it
50/50 command throws you can still backdash or jump and then full punish them
Whereas with UDK you can tech or block and if you block then you need to be wary of flash kick followup which you lose your turn anyway
UDK is literally an OP point blank nonreactable shimmy

This post was edited by itzpookiie on Mar 1 2017 11:39am

sometimes bro it's okay to just take the throw, block it out against guile, let him udk, let him flash kick, if he doesn't cr short or jab him off you if he does, punish it, but just chill for a bit in those situations, don't be in a hurry against guile.

E: udk > cr mp flash kick is 250 life
a throw is far less, and if he forward throws you then you're out, if he back throws you then he can't udk on your quickrise, also heres another option you 100% have not considered.

backdash, take the hit from UDK while you are air born, this removes his ability to combo it, AND keeps you safe from the throw it gets you out, takes the throw and block, or take the hit and backdash, those are two reliable ways to deal with that situation if you aren't willing to just block and v reversal the udk, because you're right, absolutely do not late tech a good guile, you will get dumped on by them.

This post was edited by Sasori on Mar 2 2017 01:01pm

i will be attending and competing at Choctaw Tournament in Oklahoma, Nuckledu, Ricki Ortiz, and FChamp will be there. anybody from here gonna be there?

Tampa bison won, my scene got 2nd and 3rd, i went 2-2 lost to the guy who got 5th and then to a player from my scene i coulda beat :/

rip. my next tournament is april 1st. its a redbull proving grounds event. exciting stuff.

good luck man

I just bought the game for $20