how do u start the theives guild also the dark brotherhood

google.com

i read thieves guild you gotta approach some guy, as for dark brotherhood, the quest line starts with some kid in withelm or whatever that town was called haha

I am doing Focus the Oculory quest, I found the guide beneath me when I was into the Puzzle and I think I messed up. Can I restart it, or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epso6sXZKrA&feature=related

Nevermind.

Have you not done it yet? lolol

I feel like Skyrim is eating at my life.

I got side sidetracked before I finished. One of the places you need to go around a mountain up hills through a castle.

And even if I finished it I wouldn't know how it effects you moral standing.

Just talking to people, haha.

I'm going to try and finish it tonight.

currently gone melee

but i want to make a scnd char, a caster

do the saves still overwrite eachother?