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Oct 30 2015 05:29am
Quote (crackils @ Oct 29 2015 11:51pm)
Can you post a photo of this or not say it in such a vague sentence...? What does this even mean..?


Don't listen to him. He has no idea what he is talking about. All houses are grounded. I don't know where he thinks the ground in your house leads too. And still doesn't protect you from lightning strikes.

He seems to be confused with a lightning rod.

But like I already mentioned, surge protectors are to protect you from surges (no kidding) not lightning.

(And no, not surges from lightning)

This post was edited by ROM on Oct 30 2015 05:37am
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Don't listen to him. He has no idea what he is talking about. All houses are grounded. I don't know where he thinks the ground in your house leads too. And still doesn't protect you from lightning strikes.

He seems to be confused with a lightning rod.

But like I already mentioned, surge protectors are to protect you from surges (no kidding) not lightning.

(And no, not surges from lightning)


id protect your ground
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Oct 30 2015 07:33am
Quote (timmayX @ Oct 30 2015 02:06am)
Most power strips have surge protection built in. If you have one without, you're fucking dumb.


If using a power strip protector without a 'whole house' protector, then that is dumb. Numbers provided with that power strip make it obvious.

A protector adjacent to appliances must either block or absorb that surge. How does that 2 cm part 'block' what three miles of sky could not? A damning question.

A protector says how much energy it can 'absorb'? Hundreds? A thousand joules? Destructive surges are hundreds of thousands of joules. What happens when it tries to absorb that energy? Fire is a rare event.

Sometimes a power strip protector can bypass protection inside electronics. Just another of so many undesirable features that are averted by earthing one 'whole house' protector.

If that one appliance needs a power strip protector, then so does the dishwasher, furnace, all bathroom and kitchen GFCIs, clocks, recharging phone, refrigerator, and stove. What most needs protection during a surge? Smoke detectors. How much money does one spend for an anomaly that occurs maybe once every seven years?

Informed consumers earth one 'whole house' protector to have 99.5% to 99.9% of the protection. Spend about $1 per protected appliance. Then power strip protectors are not a fire risk. Or even power strips without protector parts means sufficient protection.

Idiots ignore numbers. How many joules does that protector claim to absorb? Most appliances are so robust as to absorb that near zero energy without damage. That protection already exists inside already robust appliances. Power strip protectors manufacturers forget to mention that and the other above numbers. One 'whole house' protector from other companies of integrity mean everything protected - even from direct lightning strikes.
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Oct 30 2015 07:54am
Quote (ROM @ Oct 30 2015 06:29am)
He seems to be confused with a lightning rod.

Protection of a structure is a lightning rod connected to what does the protection - earth ground. Protection of appliances is a 'whole house' protector connected to what does the protection - earth ground. Not safety ground in a wall receptacle - earth ground. Unfortunately, many never learn these concepts proven and demonstrated for over 100 years.

A direct lightning strike to AC wires far down the street is a direct strike incoming to every household appliance. Once a surge is inside, then it goes hunting for earth destructively. Protection means no surge anywhere inside. For over 100 years, protection of equipment inside a building has always been to earth a 'whole house' protector. Then a surge (ie lightning) is not inside hunting for earth destructively via appliances. Unfortunately too many who never learned well proven science also make bogus protector recommendations.

Protection that actually works comes from completely different companies with integrity - including Siemens, Leviton, General Electric, Polyphaser (an industry benchmark), Ditek, Intermatic, Syscom, Keison, ABB, and Square D - to name a few. Not on that list are APC, Belkin, Panamax, Monster, and Tripplite. Names recommended when one only learns from advertising. Or because one wildly speculated that a surge protector does surge protection. ROM demonstrates ignorance. Effective (and less expensive) protection means even lightning does not cause damage. That means knowledge from science - not from hearsay and advertising.

Effective protectors connect low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to what does surge protection. And so a question only answered by responsible solutions. Where do hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate? Only a proven and effective solution protects from destructive surges ... including lightning. One properly earthed 'whole house ' protector.
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Oct 30 2015 09:02am
Holy shit dude...
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Oct 30 2015 09:03am
WHAT
is this guy like copy n pasting random ass shit from google or what the fuck
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Oct 30 2015 09:17am
Quote (westom @ Oct 30 2015 09:54am)
Protection of a structure is a lightning rod connected to what does the protection - earth ground. Protection of appliances is a 'whole house' protector connected to what does the protection - earth ground. Not safety ground in a wall receptacle - earth ground. Unfortunately, many never learn these concepts proven and demonstrated for over 100 years.

A direct lightning strike to AC wires far down the street is a direct strike incoming to every household appliance. Once a surge is inside, then it goes hunting for earth destructively. Protection means no surge anywhere inside. For over 100 years, protection of equipment inside a building has always been to earth a 'whole house' protector. Then a surge (ie lightning) is not inside hunting for earth destructively via appliances. Unfortunately too many who never learned well proven science also make bogus protector recommendations.

Protection that actually works comes from completely different companies with integrity - including Siemens, Leviton, General Electric, Polyphaser (an industry benchmark), Ditek, Intermatic, Syscom, Keison, ABB, and Square D - to name a few. Not on that list are APC, Belkin, Panamax, Monster, and Tripplite. Names recommended when one only learns from advertising. Or because one wildly speculated that a surge protector does surge protection. ROM demonstrates ignorance. Effective (and less expensive) protection means even lightning does not cause damage. That means knowledge from science - not from hearsay and advertising.

Effective protectors connect low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to what does surge protection. And so a question only answered by responsible solutions. Where do hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate? Only a proven and effective solution protects from destructive surges ... including lightning. One properly earthed 'whole house ' protector.


Just stop with this notion of "whole house protector". It doesn't exists. Either you are redirecting the lighting with a lightning rod and directing it to earth. Or you are referring to the ground in your house. The ground wires run to the transmission wires and to earth. Effectively grounding your whole house.

There is no magic way you are implying that if there is a surge its redirected to ground with "whole house protection".

But as I repeatedly said surge protectors are not to protect you from lightning.

This post was edited by ROM on Oct 30 2015 09:19am
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Oct 30 2015 09:19am
id direct in your joules
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Oct 30 2015 09:24am
I snake train y surge protectors
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Oct 30 2015 09:30am
Quote (ROM @ Oct 30 2015 10:17am)
Just stop with this notion of "whole house protector". It doesn't exists. Either you are redirecting the lighting with a lightning rod and directing it to earth. Or you are referring to the ground in your house. The ground wires run to the transmission wires and to earth. Effectively grounding your whole house.

There is no magic way you are implying that if there is a surge its redirected to ground with "whole house protection".

But as I repeatedly said surge protectors are not to protect you from lightning.


wait what i thought they do generally protect you from lightning?
i always thought they did because the power goes to a power source/wires then through ur house or what not
so technically it goes though the wires n surge bars before my electronics no?

This post was edited by dragoneth on Oct 30 2015 09:31am
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