Change guns as in... Doctrine, MIDA, Hawkmoon/TLW, Hawksaw/Grasp/PDX

when it is skill based matchmaking you can't compete with anything other than the meta

You can't play with friends with lesser skill levels, you will lose every match, they will get stomped consistently


Honestly the casual playlist is Trials

Not an inaccurate statement in this post

Overall, it's fine. I personally think there should be sbmm if connection isn't sacrificed. Players shouldn't be put in lobbies way below their skill level that allows them to get 70+ kills in a game. Most of those streamers have a problem with sbmm because they can no longer freely stomp on 0.5 kd players in front of their viewers anymore. Sbmm becomes detrimental when I get matched up against some dude living in france or the middle east, because you can clearly notice the delay in bullet registration due to latency.

But there are ways to play the system though. Just invite friends with poor stats into your fireteam, and load up a 6's playlist. Go play with 5 people in your fireteam with ~1 kds and you'll most likely see a difference in the quality of your opponents. Watch that murdaro guy's stream and you'll notice that's what he's doing when he play 6s (the same dude who realized that you'll get matched with bad players if you play with a bad player during crimson doubles, and that you can climb to #1 trials elo by playing with players with bad elo (trials isnt sbmm but im just illustrating an example of playing the system))


E: for 3s playlists, seems like it'll be competitive regardless of who u invite

This post was edited by Noun on May 7 2016 11:41pm

Yeah I notice that much. But I still don't see it being detrimental to the game play. Hell I've matched with you several times in 6s as you're above my skill level.

If people wanna boost their kd's playing with lesser skilled players power to them I guess.

To the other guys what guns would you prefer to use besides the meta? I've seen plenty of people, myself included, be successful with gunsmith weapons, guns like antipodal hindsight, the base white guns you get just starting the game and many others.

On the same note I've done regular crucuble with people above and below my skill level on many occasions and while I may perform better or worse than I normally do it's never an unenjoyable experience. If nothing else I just end up changing how approach the map. There isn't really a skill gap other than map awareness when I'm playing people above my skill level or below.

The "skill gap" is exactly in what you stated: awareness. Everybody miss their shots at times, so the skill gap is rarely in aiming ability when you compare an average player to a good player. It's mostly in awareness. Situational awareness of knowing when to play passive and when to play aggressive, where to place nades and how to avoid nades, how to retreat and bait, etc, all revolves around map and situational awareness. Most players actually have terrible awareness and decision making skills. It's hilarious when people say they have good awareness, but they're struggling to go flawless in trials, which is by far the most casual game mode in pvp atm.

play with obi or krat in a 3s playlist and you'll get your shit pushed in lol

Obi won't play with me lol

Because he will lose because of sbmm. That's what we've been saying

Not necessarily. But w/e if that's the biggest problem this game has with you all then it is what it is. I'll continue having fun doing what I do.