You want challenging? Dragon Age : Inquisition
You want scary? Outlast / Upcoming Silent Hill
You want online guns? Destiny

Myeah.

I don't know much about it myself, but my friend said Infamous Second Son is pretty good (and what I watched him play of it seemed neat)

Natural Doctrine is a VERY hard Strategy JRPG, so if you want a challenge it's worth taking a look at it

Good suggestions, just looked up dragon age (Never played any of them) and I really love the open world concept, seems awesome I can see there being a lot of strategy situations or puzzles in this game I will definitely give it a look. Only question is are there like side bosses that are extremely challenging? Usually the final boss from games I have played in this genre are very easy if you get good end game gear but there are usually hard endgame bosses that are side quest. Skyrim to me never had those hard bosses which made the game kinda boring to me





Seems prettty cool a lot like Fire Emblem, I'll give it more of a look


and ya I have heard a lot of good things about infamous, I'll have to look into that too

i wouldn't really compare it to fire emblem (probably more to Valkyria Chronicles, but more turn based)
some of the game's unique mechanics make it very hard as even on easy the AI knows how to make very good use of them, potentially giving them A LOT of attacks per turn

I agree, the most challenging game on the PS4 right now is Natural Doctrine, it's been said by tons of people that played it, you don't get harder than that.

Diablo 3 RoS
GTA 5
Advanced Warfare

would you recommend vita or ps3? if its full turn based ill probably get on vita

From what I've seen it's full turn based

I do love challenge I'll have to give this one a look

Since you want challenging bossfights etc i would recommend deamon souls ( never player dark souls )
It's on ps3 tho

Ps4 isn't backwards compatible right? Sadly I have the 360 and not ps3 haha