As I already stated they have an indirect bearing on them. Which you have conveniently ignored for the sake of your comment.

You have also conveniently ignored the wide layoffs at Sucker Punch for the sake of your comment. I know you will likely respond with "well they just finished development, so layoffs are expected", but they are not actually expected in 1st party development. It is 3rd party developers that generally have phases of employment. Please cite the last time any of the 1st party studios for PS, MS or Nintendo saw layoffs after releasing a AAA game. This could be an effect of the need to make up for losses in other branches of Sony, it is still unclear why these employees were laid off.

I didn't say that they could not exist as PlayStation. I said if everything else went red, they would MOST LIKELY dissolve and liquidate the PS brand. Because that is usually what large corporations do in the event of bankruptcy.

Sucker Punch has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Sucker Punch is subsidiary by the way.

MOST LIKELY, that's what you think. You are trying to make the argument that Microsoft is in a better position on pure speculation.
And I get you are trying to make that argument by bringing up Sony's financials when I asked which console is selling better.
I already speculated the contrary. Let's just stick with facts. Fact of the matter, Sony is in the better position even taking into consideration the financials.
If you understand the indirect bearing I don't know why you brought it up in the first place.

This post was edited by ROM on Oct 18 2014 09:08pm

Yes, it does have something to do with what we are talking about, you are just ignoring that fact.

Most Likely is not what I think.

It is generally what happens because it is easier for the central corporation. They sell the profitable portions of their business for immediate capital in dissolution rather than attempting to find additional capital investment to see profit somewhere down the line.

All of this is hypothetical. It would take a lot more than what is currently going on for Sony to bring them down to those desperate types of moves.

But no, Sony is not in a better financial position than MS as a whole. PS is in a better position than Xbox to be sure, but the central corporations are quite the opposite. MS's gross profit per year was more than 3x that of Sony in 2012 (the start of Sony's loss years). MS has not posted overall losses in the consecutive 3 years.

This post was edited by timmayX on Oct 18 2014 09:18pm

This is the topic of the conversation. I don't care about Sony as a whole as a gamer.

I agree they are not in a better financial situation as whole, bringing it up in a console debate makes no sense since comparing Microsoft to Sony is comparing apples to oranges. They exist in different planes.

And as far as Sucker Punch is concerned, just like any other arm of Sony they can seize to exist and the PlayStation could be fine.

Even if I agree that that is the most likely path to dissolution of a major company, I don't agree that is what is going to happen with certainty. So yes, that is just what you think.

Good argument/10

My bad, second quote just swap Sony for PlayStation.

PS4>XB1, we can agree on that.

I'm human, I make mistakes. Just like you did when you brought up the financials.

Do you want to talk exclusives? Do PS4 really need any with such a lead in console sales? Or is it XB1 who needs them?

This post was edited by ROM on Oct 18 2014 09:51pm

We can't really agree on it since it is a subjective statement.

XB1 is not a failure just because it hasn't sold anywhere near PlayStation numbers. It has outsold 360 thus far for them, and 360 was a great success for their gaming division with over 75 million units sold in its lifecycle.

Measuring XB1 to PS4 makes no sense at this stage (not that it will really make sense at any stage). People will play the games that they want to play. Even if XB1 had sold less than 360 thus far, I would still have gotten that before PS4 because the controller is better for my hands and Halo is my favorite game series.

Furthermore, I didn't bring up the financials. The user you replied to above our conversation is the culprit for that. Don't see how it was a mistake either way though as all of my arguments were sound.


Just remember, you didn't see people coming from Xbox sub to your forum to spout about PS3 failure for the first 5 years of its lifecycle (even though it wasn't a failure then either, just less of a success then 360). It is the bitter immaturity of some Sony users that bring these debates.

This post was edited by timmayX on Oct 18 2014 10:39pm

timmy is the xbox white knight u cant argue with him

And that makes you the water boy for Team Playstation?

I like xbox and ps4 but prefer PC over both

My 2k dollar PC >