I have been running NM HC Suvival levels.
It takes forever! 6 hours + for a run to get to lvl 25 seems pretty long.
We only managed to do it once and the gear we found wasn't even close to what people have been selling in here.

Stats are all round 100 ish with 200-210 max level
I see people selling pieces all around 200 with stats over 400 ( which would be from the item level ) with 250 max level

For example that's the best giraffe we found..



so my question is : How the hell do you guys find those amazing items?

good legit giraffes do not exist >__> (or almost not). I've farmed a few on misty, and a friend of mine farmed like 60 of them and never found one that was better than a regular 200 up pet from the shop after a good survival run.

Most super items you see on the forums/ingame are hacked. Good stuff does drop in misty survival but it's rare (as expected for high end stuff).
With a huge bonus you usually get a huge negative as well.

6hours for wave 25 survival sounds crazy long though. If you play misty you can reach wave 20 in like 1,5h.
wave 25 in ~2,5h depending on how much u loot etc.

Try to avoid enrage/gas traps etc until you really need em. It slows down the run a lot. And i recommend playing duo instead of 3-4 players. On misty you have 1,4k mobs with duo. 2,8k with 3 players and like 4k with 4. Go figure:P

Yeah, super good items do drop after wave 20 nm hc misty, and a little faster with mixmode. Like the other day, found an armor with a base of 260 in tower dmg and range, 140 in tower rate and like 20 in tower hp with 200 + upgrades, on wave 21 nm hc. Its ALL based on luck because of the random number generator.

Some of the very good items come beyond 25...which i know some people hack to do that

Just what I think. Somebody is using hacked items in private and farming beyond wave 25+ on misty to get legit items.

it's out there man...