bastion & torb on king of the hill
feelings towards this topic?

Well Torb is only useful if you have the point
But he's not good at taking the point...

they are really only good as a surprise, after that they just get owned

Nah they're bad on koh

okay because people tell me im dumb for wanting 2 kill myself when i get a bastion / torb 1 trick on my team on these maps
i had a guy named "bastion4ever" on koth, at end of round that we lost, he admitted "there arent any good spots on that map for bastion"
so instead of not playing bastion, he'd rather lose the round
that shit tilts me beyond belief