Introduction

Since patch 2.4 the rules have changed significant sorc related, not because alot of changes happend but because of incompetence of the rule setters. ( no offense )
Over the next days i will add advanced tactics and es/vita build and why a rule is bad and why a rule is good.
will go in detail vs every charclass.
at the end of this, i will come to a conclusion what, from my point of view is the best rule set for fire sorcs lvl 49.

little reminder, i crushed the meta with my new lidless build and the old rule of sorc has to wear a lidless wall against melee.
The rules changed all the time because the rule setter nerfed the builds the wrong way, its like blizzard senior dev 2.0.
What are we looking for? we are looking for a balanced game play, no overly defensive sorc.

We look into the advantages of es and vita sorc now, i write down my thoughts now, will post dmg life/mana numbers later with screenshots.

when a player has to decide es or vita, he will allways go es because rules for es and vita are the same but the es has a crazy advantage.
Es plays more devensive because of the high mana pool and the ability to reg/rep.
Vita sorc has to deal its dmg in a certain time frame or you end up with an empty mana pool ( average duell lenght for me on vita ~ 30 seconds )
Energyshield
Es sorc have the ability to teleport away and regenerate mana on an hilarious rate, especially with my new build. ( will lead to overly defensive gameplay )
Es sorc are allowed to have 10 repl life. --> this will lead to overly defensive gameplay
Es sorcs are allowed to use RBFC. --> whenever the sorc is done regenerating/replenishing she is ready to come back and hit you with a hilarious ammount of dmg.
Es sorc is allowed to use Thundergods vs assa --> my new build just tank assasin while using tg.
Es sorc is the superior class and needs regulation

conclusion for tactics as es sorc: you have every opportunity to play defensive or offensive, whatever you want to. once you are down with mana, teleport away to regain a huge mana shield in no time.

Vita sorc

High dmg, low mana, less survivability, you want to end your duell in time. you have no mana shield, you NEED to play offensive and end the duell as fast as possible.
in comparison with the es, once the vita's life is down, you are screwed, you cannot reg/rep so you gotta go all in.
This is what we want, we want agressive sorcs and not hours of duells.
so, for a new player, who had to decide which class to play, it appears that an es sorc has an overall advantage.
Havnt seen a vita competetive since Lod when arne ( alongcomesmarry ) was playing. lets not screw the sorc class up.

summary

There is no reason to play vita sorc when the rules do not change, lets do some diversity here to make as much builds available as possible for the player base and to make good rules is no rocket since

es sorc shall not be allowed to use replenish life. --> free ticket to play slow with an overall advantage vs your opponent.
es sorc shall not be allowed to use rbfc --> high dmg should only be available for the Vita class
Vita sorc --> can use rbfc

Lets start with an example vs Bowa

Es vs bowa: es Sorc teleports from far away to you, stomp you, shoot you 2-3 times, teleport away, if sorc gets hit, reg/replenish kicks in --> repeat win 5-0
Vita vs bowa: you die from 3 guided arrows, so you better end your duell fast, the initial telestomp is difficult, you need to be fast and stomp on point on the ama, not on valkyrie etc..
you have no ressource to teleport away once you get hit because the ama do not have to move at all, just stay and shoot since the fhr nerf in 2.4
that said, we want extreme high dmg to telestomp the bowa and end the duell in 20 seconds ( in case ama is not moving, thats how amas play vs sorc after 2.4 )
Give the vita the ability to make the amazon fucking move and not stomp the sorc lol. --> that said, allow rbfc on vita to make this class playable. do not allow rbfc on es beacause the es has other tools to win the duell.

This post was edited by Octogenarian on Aug 16 2023 02:51pm

Because there are only es sorcs ( because of the rule set), you buff and buff and buff the opponent char class.
this will lead to overly defensive es sorcs ( remember vita cannot play def because of low mana )
you could dodge this by making two rule brackets for vita and es. ( vita can use rbfc, es cannot )

es sorc tactic vs barb: shoot offscreen fireballs, the more def the sorc play, the better it is for the sorc. the higher the res of barb is, the more defensive play of sorc should be expected.

what happens if we reduce the fire res of barb? --> nothing, sorc will still play defensive
what happens if you set a timer, to make the sorc kill the barb before time ends? --> barb will run to luth gholein lol
my opinion on es vs barb is: this area is the duelling zone, either 85 or 1 abs items. no meteor, no hydra, no firewall, no blaze.

Timer 2 minutes, this Duell area




vita vs barb:

vita cannot teleport arround like es, mana is limited. can be in the same area as vs es.
no meteor, no hydra, no blaze, no firewall. the only advantage a vita possiply could have is the higher dmg due rbfc's.

more tomorrow

This post was edited by Octogenarian on Aug 16 2023 03:31pm

ES
Standard lidless mb no rbfc is the standard build, i did the calculation what will happen if there is a rule change related to the use of lidless wall and rbfc.
The stats itself of the Standard lidless mb no rbfc is concerning, whats even more concerning is the stats of the Sorc whwn we are allowed to use Whitstans.
The Fact that the sorc can shoot 3,13 fists of mike tyson from a safe position in a second is pretty concerning for me.

Vita
The actual rule set is pretty bad for vita, even if its the weaker overall char, the only tool we have, is the dmg.


How should we balance this, to make vita sorc playable and to nerf the stats of the es.

I demand:



I understand that you do not want the player make to read 129381293 different rules for differen classes, i got you bro.

Rule could be:

Es sorc must use lidless
Es sorc may not use RBFC

With this rule change, the rule makers do not have to change 2 rules, just change 1 rule.
The lidless wall build is actually not only an overall better build compared to the old sorc build, but it gives us a tool to make vita great again.

This post was edited by Octogenarian on Aug 16 2023 11:36pm