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Quote (Vogan @ Tue, 10 Feb 2009, 15:03)
Akrane, this conversation is futile. You are brainwashed to the bones.

What Milions of dead ukrainians are you talking about? Where did you take this BS from?
If you talking about many people who died through great famine during 30's, then i'm happy to inform you that in casuaties wasn't only ukrainians, there was many russians too.

And on what grounds do you base all your statistics? Get it real. No one have exact nubers about that period. No one.
Because there was so many death and suffering, that no one could keep the count straight.

Oh yes, about that great famine. Soviet government represented at that time majority of soviet people, aka democracy. Great famine was the consequence of Civil war 1919-1924. My question to you: who was financing oposition White army, those causing more death and suffering? France, England and USA. So its your government who is resposible for big part of those dead souls. Or french goverment sees at that incendent only as "failed investment".

Again, get your facts straight.

And what enslaved countries do you talking about? When you read and learn from a new source, do you double check it credibility? Or any book title with "Evil russians did this and that" is good enough for ya? C'mon man?!
I can start pulling out imaginary and twisted facts about France that will make you very angry.


Pull out all the facts you want about France, I know EXACTLY all the things that my country has done, and there are a lot of things I'm not proud of. But you can't recognize any mistakes.

That's your problem, you're the brainwashed guy here.

I can recognize that France has done a LOT of mistakes, you will never recognize Russia has done any mistakes. Why is that ? Mother land is so perfect ?

What enslaved countries am I talking about ? Are you seriously that fucking blind ? Are you really ? DId I accuse your family or you of doing it ? NO. So how fucking hard is it to recognize that Stalin enslaved more than 12 countries in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, destroyed them from the core, let them nothing to be proud of ? Are you THAT fucking stubborn ? Was Stalin your grandfather ? How much more idiotic can you get ?

I never ever accused you or anyone who lives today of being responsible for this. So how hard is it to say : Yes, it's true, Stalin and USSR made dozens of countries suffer, used them and eliminated millions of people. HOW HARD is this ? It's nothing against Russia, it's against a fucking government that existed 25 years ago.

God ... now you've gone and got me mad and I'll probably end up saying things I'll regret, but you're so freaking retarded it's impossible to talk with you.

Like I said, fuck this conversation, I'll go learn Russian in text books, I don't see why I should even make any efforts with idiots like you.
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Da deti umiraut, no klimat i territoria otvetstvenny, točno tak že kak čelovek.
(( I am not using translator, I try to use my dictionnary but you must tell me if I make mistakes))

Ну русский у тебя нормальный xd. По поводу детей - есть два разных подхода, когда люди хотят что-то сделать. В одном случае они много говорят и пытаются что-то сделать чужими руками, а во втором они молча делают это сами. Смысл всей этой болтологии в топике мне просто непонятен - все останутся при своем мнении.
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Feb 10 2009 07:20am
Quote (w1841d3 @ Tue, 10 Feb 2009, 15:09)
Could not resist to add my 2cents here.

Would you please be so kind to:
a ) refrain from using absolute terms, as you are clearly incompetent to express yourself without historical and factual errors.
b ) clarify bolded statements, i.e. linking me to a scientific research made by international, i hope unbiased, teams.

Before you do that, please do NOT bring here unproven and widely discussed facts that cycle in anti-russian media as it will be viewed as Trolling attempts.


I just DO NOT get what is wrong with you ...

How is talking about the horrors of the USSR anti Russian ?

Are you still under USSR regime ? NO.
Is Stalin still your leader ? NO
Is the Russian people of today being called responsible for what happened back then ? NO

So Why are you telling me that I'm pulling this from anti-Russian media when it's been proven scientifically that tens of millions of people were deported from the USSR satellites countries, and left to die in Siberia ?

It's proven, even the archives from Stalin's time have been released. So What exactly are you trying to tell me ? That you are still a Soviet ? I think not right.. so what is your point ? I haven't accused the Russian people of anything (apart from being maybe over nationalist but that's another subject). I did not say anyone here is responsible for this. HOW is it anti Russian ? Explain to me.... because you're very very confusing ... and probably confused.
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Feb 10 2009 07:23am
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So how fucking hard is it to recognize that Stalin enslaved more than 12 countries in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, destroyed them from the core, let them nothing to be proud of ? .



Before typing this shit - be kind to find some facts about these countries industrialization level, health care, education. infantile mortality before and after Stalin. You are really posting SHIT.
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Feb 10 2009 07:25am
The problem with you, that you confuse 2 totally different things. We are all aware of Stalins atrocities, you dont have to remind it to people whos families suffered it. But saying "russians killed those and did that" you accuse ordinary citezens and not Stalins government.
As Nord said, soviet government did recognized all mistakes that was made during Stalins period and whole blame was thrown at him and his followers. You talking that you are more aware of our own history and yet you didn't know very important fase of Soviet/russian history as XX Congress of CPSU. Khruschev who started this discloser was ukrainian himself.
Just to show you new perspecive on this matter, i am a greek i was born in USSR, but still things that you say sounds very wrong in my ears, because one thing is to blame government, the other is to ignore peoples sacrifise they had to pay in blood.
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Feb 10 2009 07:28am
эээ ребята тут какбэ по русски надо писать smile.gif
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Feb 10 2009 07:33am
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эээ ребята тут какбэ по русски надо писать smile.gif


О бля. Точно, а то мы тут распинаемся перед очередным малолетним долбоебом.
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Точно. laugh.gif Всех не перучиш. cool.gif
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Quote (Killares @ Tue, 10 Feb 2009, 15:23)
Before typing this shit - be kind to find some facts about these countries industrialization level, health care, education. infantile mortality before and after Stalin. You are really posting SHIT.


Are you retarded ? Are you really going to defend Stalin ? He destroyed Russia as much as other countries. How can you defend him ?

What facts do you want ? How is this relevant ? Latvia was first invaded and colonized by Russia then USSR for over 70 years during the last two centuries. The last colonization lasted 50 years. IN France, in those last 50 years, we evolved, developped health care, education etc. So OF COURSE all those were better after Stalin left than before he arrived. It was a period of 50 years... people evolve.

What you say is completely stupid. With or without Stalin, things would have evolved anyway.

But I've been to lots of ex USSR countries. Take Azerbaijan. They had one of the best wine production in Central Asia before Russian arrived, even under Turkish and Ottoman domination. It continued during USSR, produced some of the best wine ever made in the region. So all this is very good. What happened at the fall of USSR ? Gorbatchev ordered ALL the wine fields to be destroyed, ALL the cemical plants to be shut down, ALL the oil and gas exploitation to be taken down.

It took Azerbaijan 10 years to recover from this. And it's still today very poor.

You just don't want to look at the facts.


And most of all : Does ANYONE here understand that I am NOT accusing anyone here, and NOT criticizing Russia for f**k sake... I am criticizing the fact that the Russian government will not apologize for what has happened, just like Germany did, just like France did, the Vatican, etc.

It's not anymore complicated than that. How hard is that to understand ? You guys have taken this way too far. I accused the USSR for doing bad things, and ONLY said government should apologize to everyone for this. You tell me I'm anti Russian, that I have read bad propaganda, that I don't know anything and don't understand anything.

Do you realize how freaking stubborn you are ?
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