nu v principe logichno ) sami golosuem tut za teh kogo nam dayut
elcin-putin-medvedev

У нас не избирают, у наc всегда царь назначал своего приемника. Так есть и так будет - менталитет такой.

Russian people dont have to appologize for what happend during WWII. There is or never was any human right organisation that accused USSR government for any sort of violations agains humanity, like Nazi's. Russian people paid way to heavy price for their own liberation: over 20 milion people killed. Thats over 3 times then jews, who are still screeming about genocide.

What would you call extermination of over 20 milion human souls?

After all this basic reminder for you, young russian people have all the right to be angry and furious when someone is trying to underestimate and neglect sacrifice of soviet nation during WWII.

Yes, i didn't made a mistake. I said soviet people, because all nations had to pay that heavy price.

And throwing a blame on russian people today is a very puny and unhuman act, because all can see what is behind it: political ambitions of some nationalist radicals, that would rather destibilise whole rigion in favour of their short-termed political profit.

ne ponimal, koe-chto o golosovani ?





Da deti umiraut, no klimat i territoria otvetstvenny, točno tak že kak čelovek.

(( I am not using translator, I try to use my dictionnary but you must tell me if I make mistakes))



I don't think you understand. It's not the people who have to apologize, it's the government.

The government who in the 1930's exterminated millions of Ukrainians, the government that enslaved 10+ countries and turned them into production centers for their own benefit. Nobody is saying that Russia didn't sacrifice anything, but the 20 million dead you talk about, it's the same for Germany, a few million germans also died during WW2, and they were also sacrificed for a cause that was not just.

And like you say, yes it was Soviet government and 20 millions russians died, just like the german government was nazi, and few million germans died. It's the same. It was an ideology that was born in Russia, just like Nazism was born in Germany at the time. Germany apologized, Russian government should do the same. Nobody is asking you and your family and the russian people to apologize for something they didn't do. But the people at the head of the government. And as much as I appreciate Putin as a man, I don't appreciate what he represents. He was KGB, he was involved in things that still require justice. Nobody is asking for Putin or his friends to be judged. WHy would anyone want that ?
They just want a public apology, and I think it's normal.

This post was edited by Akrane on Feb 10 2009 06:45am

u know nothing about our ideology )
speak about what you know 100% please
thanks

Government that exterminated millions of Ukrainians also exterminated millions of Russians during so called "Golodomor" (as you may see, it's not only Ukrainian tragedy, redistribution of grain makes this look like genocide of Ukrainian people, but it's not). Crimes and cult of personality of Stalin (but not Golodomor) were disclosed by Khruschev, Ukrainian himself, at XX Congress of CPSU

Akrane, this conversation is futile. You are brainwashed to the bones.

What Milions of dead ukrainians are you talking about? Where did you take this BS from?
If you talking about many people who died through great famine during 30's, then i'm happy to inform you that in casuaties wasn't only ukrainians, there was many russians too.

And on what grounds do you base all your statistics? Get it real. No one have exact nubers about that period. No one.
Because there was so many death and suffering, that no one could keep the count straight.

Oh yes, about that great famine. Soviet government represented at that time majority of soviet people, aka democracy. Great famine was the consequence of Civil war 1919-1924. My question to you: who was financing oposition White army, those causing more death and suffering? France, England and USA. So its your government who is resposible for big part of those dead souls. Or french goverment sees at that incendent only as "failed investment".

Again, get your facts straight.

And what enslaved countries do you talking about? When you read and learn from a new source, do you double check it credibility? Or any book title with "Evil russians did this and that" is good enough for ya? C'mon man?!
I can start pulling out imaginary and twisted facts about France that will make you very angry.

Funny thing is ... from your point of view, you know maybe things that you feel more than me etc. But from a technical point of view, I probably know more than you. For reasons I won't go into.

Anyway, I see this is a failure, I tried to discuss, but you guys never change.

Funny ... I'll go now and not post here again.

Hey, you know - nobody gonna teach you whole course of history. Because you thnk that you know everything about this stuff. But you just learned it from wrong textbooks, which are also full of propaganda - and you so sure that "truth" exactly in it. So it is useless to discuss.

Could not resist to add my 2cents here.

Would you please be so kind to:
a ) refrain from using absolute terms, as you are clearly incompetent to express yourself without historical and factual errors.
b ) clarify bolded statements, i.e. linking me to a scientific research made by international, i hope unbiased, teams.

Before you do that, please do NOT bring here unproven and widely discussed facts that cycle in anti-russian media as it will be viewed as Trolling attempts.