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Dec 6 2013 06:31am
Quote (Erg_zolw @ 6 Dec 2013 13:19)
We are bad clickers (mean HC) cuz we prefer to use abi on +70% than +30% i think it's the different


Many actions is the only thing that divides the good clickers from the bad ones

I mean it doesn't matter if you have 100 avg damage with your mq gear as long as you have 1000 actions more than clicker #2 with 1100 avg damage, right?
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Dec 6 2013 06:38am
^Don't you think that using the abi on a higher % is because the mq gear on HC isn't as good as sc?

anyways who cares
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Quote (SCXiao @ Dec 6 2013 12:31pm)
Many actions is the only thing that divides the good clickers from the bad ones

I mean it doesn't matter if you have 100 avg damage with your mq gear as long as you have 1000 actions more than clicker #2 with 1100 avg damage, right?


agree with you 100%


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Quote (SCXiao @ 6 Dec 2013 14:31)
Many actions is the only thing that divides the good clickers from the bad ones

I mean it doesn't matter if you have 100 avg damage with your mq gear as long as you have 1000 actions more than clicker #2 with 1100 avg damage, right?


Of course you have to count efficient damage (hits that aren't 0, and neither 500 more than neccessary to kill a creep) (this is what Ati does on SC that's why I dont play with him, splashing his multicast at 10 % dealing 0's.) (Pretty SURE this ISNT what ristvall is talking about!!!!)

Anyway, HC has alot of great clickers, for sure (ME ME ME)

This post was edited by Luvve on Dec 6 2013 08:57am
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Quote (Luvve @ 6 Dec 2013 15:57)
Of course you have to count efficient damage (hits that aren't 0, and neither 500 more than neccessary to kill a creep) (this is what Ati does on SC that's why I dont play with him, splashing his multicast at 10 % dealing 0's.) (Pretty SURE this ISNT what ristvall is talking about!!!!)

Anyway, HC has alot of great clickers, for sure (ME ME ME)


You failed to see my sarcasm, young padawan.

But yes, splashing 10% multicasts and saving for 200% powershots is a huge waste in actions and time and sadly a lot of people fail to see this

All they care about is

-actions
-average damage

and use this as an excuse to slack off, "because I can go afk for 10 min no problem I still have more actions/damage than you"
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Dec 6 2013 09:52am
Admittedly, there are not as many HC players as there are SC players. Not going to speculate on why this is, just accept it as a fact.

If you want a list of the players, I think I can incorporate it into the weekly Scandal Sheet by placing a colored asterisk next to the players' names.

I could have a red asterisk ( * ) for players strictly on HC, and a blue ( * ) for those who play both cores.

Those with no asterisk would of course be SC only players ( Such as yours truly)

As well, it would only be showing those players who have scored 400 GP or more in their current guild

Here is an example of what I mean:

3137 McClain * // DiabloII
2796 Paparick // Labyrinth
1904 sp_patl * // Silence
1700 PowerTripped * // Unfair Advantage -=- 1700th GP scored on Dec 4th
1628 RealStormie * // Silence
1542 Natester * // Empire
1436 BBell_86 * // Empire
1388 alienwersus * // Silence
1315 HylianHero * // Kingdom of Hyrule
1266 themanthelegend * // Oasis

It has one drawback, however, it includes inactive players such as Natester and BBell_86 and this will create a very skewed and inaccurate list.

This post was edited by Paparick on Dec 6 2013 11:13am
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Quote (SCXiao @ 6 Dec 2013 17:26)
You failed to see my sarcasm, young padawan.

But yes, splashing 10% multicasts and saving for 200% powershots is a huge waste in actions and time and sadly a lot of people fail to see this

All they care about is

-actions
-average damage

and use this as an excuse to slack off, "because I can go afk for 10 min no problem I still have more actions/damage than you"


Now we're on the same page again Luke! :hug: :wub:
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Dec 6 2013 02:06pm
It's about knowing the game and being efficient with your time spent.
If you want to take longer and lose out on prof and be inefficient when you play it's fine if that's what you enjoy.
Maybe it's just being uneducated about how much better things could be when you do climb.

Regardless of your gear you can apply a few principles when group climbing and shave tremendous time off your climbs and easily increase your prof gain by 30-50%.
That means more climbs with the time saved, faster prof gain = more damage = even faster climbing = more climbs it's a continuous benefit.

Here's one example:


My time counter is off for actual climb time which was 1:30.
This climb took 1:30 with only 1 caster and 4 melee.
It was an all black climb using no exp glyphs.
We didn't do it the most efficient and still hit 1:30.
Ideally you always want the driver also being the tank.
We had 2 feeders in the climb which killed some time because they can't get the actions of a Sami+ class.
And we had a good actions class tanking which hurt because tank armors lower your damage and clicking which slows you.
That being said it was a 1:30 and because of the clicking style it was that fast and ZERO heals were used.
If we had explored 45+ it would have been 1:45 or less with this group.

The difference in my actions here vs a public climb is a lot.
If I climb public with 3 other casters my actions should go down to close to 5k because of the charging of casters and the damage ratio of multi cast.
Instead my actions go up to 7500~ and the climb time will increase to 2:30~

This group above set up the way it was, which again wasn't even the most efficient and with only 1 caster, would be doing double the hc climbs that a 4 caster public group would be doing and in less time.

Just an example. I'd love to help anyone who has any questions or is curious please feel free to pm me.
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Dec 6 2013 02:14pm
Quote (PowerTripped @ Dec 6 2013 03:06pm)
It's about knowing the game and being efficient with your time spent. 
If you want to take longer and lose out on prof and be inefficient when you play it's fine if that's what you enjoy. 
Maybe it's just being uneducated about how much better things could be when you do climb.

Regardless of your gear you can apply a few principles when group climbing and shave tremendous time off your climbs and easily increase your prof gain by 30-50%.
That means more climbs with the time saved, faster prof gain = more damage = even faster climbing = more climbs it's a continuous benefit.

Here's one example:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2ni16s4.jpg

My time counter is off for actual climb time which was 1:30.
This climb took 1:30 with only 1 caster and 4 melee.
It was an all black climb using no exp glyphs.
We didn't do it the most efficient and still hit 1:30.
Ideally you always want the driver also being the tank.
We had 2 feeders in the climb which killed some time because they can't get the actions of a Sami+ class.
And we had a good actions class tanking which hurt because tank armors lower your damage and clicking which slows you.
That being said it was a 1:30 and because of the clicking style it was that fast and ZERO heals were used.
If we had explored 45+ it would have been 1:45 or less with this group.

The difference in my actions here vs a public climb is a lot.
If I climb public with 3 other casters my actions should go down to close to 5k because of the charging of casters and the damage ratio of multi cast.
Instead my actions go up to 7500~ and the climb time will increase to 2:30~

This group above set up the way it was, which again wasn't even the most efficient and with only 1 caster, would be doing double the hc climbs that a 4 caster public group would be doing and in less time.

Just an example.  I'd love to help anyone who has any questions or is curious please feel free to pm me.


That was also the climb i passed to alchemist, and our healths were never in jeopardy!!!
I'm thankful to be part of a great clicking guild, not trying to sound arrogant as most think we are.
I doubt i would be playing this game still if it was all 4 hour pub climbs
Edit: just noticed did phil stat 90 vita lol?

This post was edited by LabattBlue on Dec 6 2013 02:15pm
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Dec 6 2013 02:19pm
nvm sry

This post was edited by TiMasse on Dec 6 2013 02:20pm
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